SC Community needs to move on....

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Fun fact unless both competitors have the same exact tools like chess, by no means is it logical or even correct to state that skill is the deciding factor. That's idiotic.

FGs aren't balanced, so even if you hate the so called scrub talk, it is rightfully justified. SU since you're letting your emotions throw your common sense out. I'll explain to everyone what you're trying to say.

You fully understand how powerful hilde is. However, with players like RTD and Ceirnian you welcome the challenge. Fighting these guys has made you better and stronger, so you feel very disappointed that you won't be able face them anymore at their best. Yes Hilde is broke, but she is by no means unbeatable...she's already a defining part of the community because of RTD and Ceirnian, and banning her seems very absurd. It isn't that hilde is getting banned, but that it seems two of your greatest rivals are getting the ax from competitions.

That much I understand, once anyone reaches that level, the elite level you become selfish. And I won't knock you on that, but as someone who feels the community comes first I must be opposed to that.

Your best approach would be to argue for a compromise. I agree that banning hilde now is, a little too late...but if this gets us more players or gets people interested again it's worth it.

The scrubs and the noobs are your stepping stones to your throne, without them it crumbles. Find a different angle.
 
ImmortalxDragon said:
WOW, there is alot of shit talk on this offline thread. Well lets see where to start, chickenwing just because we play online does not mean anything. And yes, this is coming from a random online tira player. And who are you. Are you even known to be a good offline player at all (no offense) I just never heard of you. SU, its true online does not mean anything, but you cant call an online player that tries to mimic offline to the best of his ability (Babalook) bad and unskilled. That pretty much is what your saying by stating that the wins dont mean anything. Or at least that how I would take it. Hopefully your respectful enough not to mean it like that SU.
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@ShenYuan

Nice post, really. (no sarcasm intended here)

However, If you read it again, you'll realize that this is NOT Soul Calibur.

Nobody said that there are no strategies to beat Hilde. If there weren't any way to beat her, she would have been long banned.
 
Thanks. But i meant it as a response to the pad binding issue that was raised earlier in the thread. I just meant to highlight potential differences. Looking back, my point wasn't clear. my bad.
 
Immortalxdragon: I didn't call babalook bad or unskilled. In fact I think he has potential. His Cervantes imo is beast or so it seems. But online can do that to u. Thats why there is this thing called offline where there are no unnatural variables that weren't meant to be part of the game.

Therefore he is nothing outside of online just like I was until he proves it like I did or any online player for that matter. So what do u do when ur an online player and no one respects ur skill. Go offline and shut them up just like me and Woahhzz did. Until then online players have no value except for the online world and are just potentials. Cause he might have potential but there has been a number of online players that crashed and burned. See the logic?

KingAce: I agree to some extent with ur post except the FIRST SENTENCE and my common sense being affected. Cause cleary that first sentence is ridiculous but it might fit perfectly with the Complainers logic.
 
Something-Unique said:
Don't let ur online experience/victory vs. me fool u if its swaying u. If not cool because ONLINE means NOTHING.
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ImmortalxDragon said:
WOW, there is alot of shit talk on this offline thread. Well lets see where to start, chickenwing just because we play online does not mean anything. And yes, this is coming from a random online tira player. And who are you. Are you even known to be a good offline player at all (no offense) I just never heard of you. SU, its true online does not mean anything, but you cant call an online player that tries to mimic offline to the best of his ability (Babalook) bad and unskilled. That pretty much is what your saying by stating that the wins dont mean anything. Or at least that how I would take it. Hopefully your respectful enough not to mean it like that SU.
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babalook said:
you post a vid of my bad rugi and you lag spamming it what was the reason
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Something-Unique said:
Immortalxdragon: I didn't call babalook bad or unskilled. In fact I think he has potential. His Cervantes imo is beast or so it seems. But online can do that to u. Thats why there is this thing called offline where there are no unnatural variables that weren't meant to be part of the game.

Therefore he is nothing outside of online just like I was until he proves it like I did or any online player for that matter. So what do u do when ur an online player and no one respects ur skill. Go offline and shut them up just like me and Woahhzz did. Until then online players have no value except for the online world and are just potentials. Cause he might have potential but there has been a number of online players that crashed and burned. See the logic?
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I think stuff like that should be posted in the Online vs offline debate thread.
 
Something-Unique said:
Immortalxdragon: I didn't call babalook bad or unskilled. In fact I think he has potential. His Cervantes imo is beast or so it seems. But online can do that to u. Thats why there is this thing called offline where there are no unnatural variables that weren't meant to be part of the game.

Therefore he is nothing outside of online just like I was until he proves it like I did or any online player for that matter. So what do u do when ur an online player and no one respects ur skill. Go offline and shut them up just like me and Woahhzz did. Until then online players have no value except for the online world and are just potentials. Cause he might have potential but there has been a number of online players that crashed and burned. See the logic?

KingAce: I agree to some extent with ur post except the FIRST SENTENCE and my common sense being affected. Cause cleary that first sentence is ridiculous but it might fit perfectly with the Complainers logic.
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I agree with everything said here. Plus from personal experience it's really a tough task to try to adapt to a new controller, while also adapting to offline, etc.
 
ShenYuan said:
Regarding Hilde.

There are many factors that have to work together to make playing with no binds difficult in the long run.

I, at first thought we could charge all day, and break throws. Until i met astaroth, and characters with command throws. I can count on two hands the number of times i have broken command throws with small windows. So i am not saying that breaking throws is impossible. Its just harder. And this matters, because in tournaments, you want 100% consistency in attempting to break throws. Under heavy pressure, and a against a very pressuring opponent, it becomes so much harder.

The other argument is that throws, can cause you to get launcehd by hilde. Ok there are many more ways to land a throw, apart from mixups. What about as whiff punishers (look at nightmare). Post-GI? AT these situations throws are unduckable. And its not just throws that give problems. It gets really annoying against flapjacks, and kilik 3A+Bs. And yes don't throw her with the ring edge behind you mindlessly. throw when there is a wall behind you or something....

Playing full charge on binds has one more really really big problem. Punishing. Hilde's punishers SUCK when you are charging all the way with no binding. Mitsu 1A will rape you. She doesnt even get a WSK off that. Flapjack can only be WSked. These moments, you need your 6B+K, A+K, 3BA or 4B+K to evade/punish these unsafe moves.... well then you could all say that all she needs to do is land one launcher and win any way, so whats the big deal with not being able to punish.

Well you have to play by the matchup (which most of you dont) and make it really hard for her to launch you.

- Hilde cannot whiff punish moves that recover mad fast on reaction. These are moves like Yoshi 6A, X 4K, Kilik 6B9. This will cause her to waste her charge! This is frustrating in a longer run, as she is driven to use pokes like 3K to interrupt... and 3K is shitty damage. Don't tell me you are going to 3K people all day who use such quick moves. You'd want to use your 3A or whatever right. But this requires planning. If you had binds, you could just tap 3A without spending time to release your charge to do it.

-ALSO understand, in order to bait whiff hilde has to move. She moves back, or to the side. Yes her movement is amazing. However, you have to understand how a Hilde that is trigger happy with C3B works. Any twitch, means releasing B to launch you to kingdom come. So we can exploit this. Against a Hilde that commits to movement after she gets advantage, in order to bait whiff and kill you, you have to attack out of disadvantage very differently. You don't attack out of disadvantage with traditional evasive attacks like the usual 44Bs, or WSbs, or whatever. They will whiff. You must attack out of disadvantage with long or mid ranged horizontals. For example, kilik 2A+K. If Hilde is at frame advantage and wants to bait WSB, 1B, 4B+K from Kilik, she will backstep or side step yeah? Now if kilik does 2A+K 2 things could happen. If she commits 100% to movement, she will get hit. If she step guards, she will react to the beginning of 2A+K and release B, thinking she saw a whiff, and get CHed. If she guards, she gets SG damage. thats so much better than whiffing traditional abare and getting killed. So ya, do your own testing.

- Also, understand risk reward and do not duck unneccesarily. If you know there is a B charge, don't duck like ever. Just face a throw 50/50. This is enough. Limit her options to just a throw 50/50... don't habitually duck. Its not worth it. Also if you know the throw is coming, jump attack with 9A or something that cant be stepped easily.

The abovementioned problems arise only if the opponent is playing the matchup well. Yes there is still the doom combo, but landing it will be substantially harder. You have to understand what options have been rendered ineffective, and move away to other parts of your movelist. This matchup is a high level study. So yeah all the abovementioned problems add up and make it frustrating for the hilde player. Hilde players who charge 100% on no binds will then face a problem i call a mental paralysis. This is very dangerous against rushers as you will remove your focus from their actions, to your fingers...
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Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Thanks!
 
uh, yea, I just hope that Rock just frame isn't a part of your game, because if Cervy is anything like Sophitia, Cervy should be able to CH 3B combo your ass every single time you attempt that weak ass shit (if not that, then 214:B). Sophie gets 66B combo. ya just duck the second hit, take like 6 damage, then punish. I figured that out the first time I ever played against Rock, so maybe most of you know this already...
 
Damn!!!

Haven't been here in 2 months and come back to see this.

Pure entertainment!!! *grabs popcorn*

Also, props to Jaxel for putting his foot down. One thing about being a leader is there is no such thing as 100% approval from measures. As long as the measure is mostly fair, is good to go.

All of this would have been solved if we played SC4 arcade style, the way it was supposed to be anyway. 4 buttons, not 5 or 10 or maps. Just 4, A, B, K, G.

Tekken peeps don't complain about using their 4 buttons, well SC is the same format. Practice!!!
 
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