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To start off a lot of people dont recognize this screenname, but this is mick posting from it. I know i'm late but i see there are a few things that were talked about with characters being banned and stuff that could have been fixed.

If Hilde is going to be banned, the star wars characters should be banned out of all fairness. I believe this is why calibur never last as long as tekken, that community play no matter what. I.E. steve's infinite in T5, Jin LS in T4 and etc. Nothing was banned people just played, however, namco does work on tekken a little more. Now that I have the time to be serious about vid games when it really matters, all the banning kind of makes me say fuck calibur and revive my tekken skills. Honestly more people play tekken, why play calibur?

Someone could have easily just made up situations where she's couldnt ring you out or force certain stages like the cage when she could be played on only instead of banning her. Now we must ban the star wars character too.
 
MICK: I don't understand what you believe the connection between banning Hilde and banning Star Wars is, but they didn't ban Hilde for any other reason than to keep scrubs who complain about her from leaving. They're basically making Hilde a scapegoat by putting the blame for the community's demise on her. Scrubs don't complain about Star Wars characters, in fact most of them, myself included, really enjoy using them. So it's highly unlikely they will ever get banned.

And you're absolutely right, there could have been better solutions than a flat out ban. A full character ban should always be the absolute last resort.

Some previously mentioned solutions could have been:

- Ban multiple assigning A's/B's and button binding with Hilde only.
- Ban the 44K followup after C3 B (so that Hilde has to be played like in SCBD)
- Only allow certain stages when fighting Hilde.
 
This is nothing new, someone will always be unhappy no matter what happens. Scrubs like characters like that and you play characters that you feel gives you an adv over others because no real top tier player will use a character like that unless it's causal matches or for sheer fun. I do not know how others feel about it, but i really believe they should be especially yoda and darth vader because you have to buy them on your respective system. This is stating how i feel and will move back the the tekken community instead of coming back to calibur. This shit has to get pretty old.
 
aerosigma said:
It's a smart business move. They make money when people buy a new copy of a game. Patches don't earn monies. Since there is already a Soul Cal 4 game on the consoles, not many people would buy a new copy of BD for $60 when they can have a copy of the same game used, or at 1 year old prices.(not many meaning the general masses, not us hard core Soul Cal/Fighting gamers.) Conversely, releasing a SC4 game on the PSP allowed for much high attach rate, since the aren't competing with themselves.

Chances are the PSP port was planned since the early dev stages of SC4, and I wouldn't be surprised if a team was working on that engine while SC4 (console version) was being developed.

-AeroSigma

PS- "porting" a game (esp. with complex timing like SC) from the Cell BE to a MIPS processor is not a simple re-compile, they most likely had to re-code the engine from scratch and then port over just the art assets (3D models, textures etc.)
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I had this just-for-fun-idea that was already discussed in Java Chat.

Considering the fact that it costs lots of money to produce a game what about porting SC4 BD along with a bundle pack to consoles? The bundle pack consist of classic SC titles.

Is it too much effort to port these pre-made games to these consoles? Wouldn't the cost of making those pre-made titles be less compared to making a brand new Soul Calibur?

I just think SC4 BD along with a Bundle Pack maybe a great deal as oppose to buying SC4 BD buy itself.
 
franman said:
I had this just-for-fun-idea that was already discussed in Java Chat.

Considering the fact that it costs lots of money to produce a game what about porting SC4 BD along with a bundle pack to consoles? The bundle pack consist of classic SC titles.

Is it too much effort to port these pre-made games to these consoles? Wouldn't the cost of making those pre-made titles be less compared to making a brand new Soul Calibur?

I just think SC4 BD along with a Bundle Pack maybe a great deal as oppose to buying SC4 BD buy itself.
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nobody would play sc4 anymore...everyone would be on sc2 or sc4bd....but thas a kool idea
 
franman said:
I had this just-for-fun-idea that was already discussed in Java Chat.

Considering the fact that it costs lots of money to produce a game what about porting SC4 BD along with a bundle pack to consoles? The bundle pack consist of classic SC titles.

Is it too much effort to port these pre-made games to these consoles? Wouldn't the cost of making those pre-made titles be less compared to making a brand new Soul Calibur?

I just think SC4 BD along with a Bundle Pack maybe a great deal as oppose to buying SC4 BD buy itself.
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Well, Considering that the SC4 engine already exists on the Consoles, it would probably be pretty simple to Port BD, just port over the new Art (just Dampierre and his stage? That would be easy enough, even with the fact that they'd probably have to re-master them to a higher resolution) and create 'The Gauntlet," though I do think that BD would work best as an expansion to SC4 and not a stand-alone (hey! there's an idea.) Getting Soul Calibur would be easy enough, at least for the PS3 since they can play PS games anyway, but 2 and 3 might be more difficult to port. You've really got to consider that they're porting over 4 games, vs. making a new one, that's not trivial. But I like the idea.

I also like the idea of porting BD as an expansion (not a free patch or update, but a $20 expansion-have-to-have-the-original-game sort of thing.) It could probably even be distributed over the PSN so that you'd still use your original SC4 disk. This would let Namco get some money for their work, (and a pretty good ROI I think, since porting over the new BD stuff shouldn't be too complicated especially considering that BD is was originally a port of SC4 :-P) Honestly, a separate team would probably do this, since Project Soul is most likely working on SC5 (no it won't come out anytime soon, these things take years.) And because no game decisions would need to be made Project Soul wouldn't really be necessary (except maybe to make sure the 'fixes' were brought over correctly) and Namco could have interns do it cheaper!
The only thing I wonder about is how netplay would work if someone's got the expansion, and someone else doesn't. If I were the Game Designer I would have SC4 only vs. SC4 only, BD expansion vs. BD expansion, and also a way that if you have the expansion, you could elect (with a checkbox or something) to have the new stuff inactivated and play with the SC4 only peeps. I don't know how this would work with the mechanics 'fixes' though, hmm, maybe no checkbox. But I guess we don't really use netplay though, do we ;-P
 
I think the idea is brilliant. But who knows if they'd go for it.

I was always for a stage ban but I don't know why that seems to be an unacceptable solution. People don't really complain much when Hilde beats them without ring out. Anyways.....

I think the next installment should have an arcade release to hype things up in japan that way maybe namco might give it more respect.
 
BD is not coming to consoles unless Namco/Project Soul puts enough changes to it to make people feel that it warrants a purchase. And if they are going to go to that level of effort, then they would more than likely put it to a new game that they could charge full retail for and make more money from.

You can also throw out the talk of a downloadable expansion because the game itself doesn't have the framework for it, you would break online play by having people with an expansion and those without, plus you would cut out those who already sold the game.

BD isn't that great to begin with, so I rather just have a new game when the time comes, or right now. I really don't care, but SC4 still have alot of life in the game itself, but most people are content with just playing it casually or play something else at this point and not in tournaments.

There's no reason at this point to ban Star Wars. I used to hate them in this game, but now who cares.

When will you guys give the ban talk a rest?

Putting a rule that handicaps Hilde doesn't work and is not really fair or a viable solution. Plus who would play her at that point.

Tekken isn't all that great. Plus you can't use them as a comparison because more people play Tekken in Japan so it gets more support from Namco, along with an arcade release. I wish people would stop using other games as examples of what this community should or should not do because it's irrelevant.
 
Malice said:
BD isn't that great to begin with, so I rather just have a new game when the time comes, or right now. I really don't care, but SC4 still have alot of life in the game itself, but most people are content with just playing it casually or play something else at this point and not in tournaments.
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Funny, if Broken Destiny was available for consoles, non of the Hilde and Algol bitching would be around and people would be playing more instead of bitching more plus we have Dampierre which is fun and a surprisingly good addition. If that in itself doesn't make it superior to 1.03 then dammnnnnnnn...0_0

Anyway, Project Soul continues to suck ass and at this point I'm not expecting BD for consoles at all so whatever.

Back to Tekken 6.
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BABY said:
I believe this is why calibur never last as long as tekken, that community play no matter what. I.E. steve's infinite in T5, Jin LS in T4 and etc. Nothing was banned people just played, however, namco does work on tekken a little more.
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Jin not being banned in Tekken 4 still remains a mystery to me but that's a 2 way sword and Tekken 4 is done so a moot point.

The last point you bring is the real key. Namco cares about Tekken more and this is undeniable.

Gotta give the community a little leeway since it ain't the community's fault that Project Soul sucks dick. If Project Soul delivered then if a game fails it is the community's fault.

As it is, well...it is what it is.
 
I find it funny people haven't accepted that SC is the most complaining community ever assembled. It doesn't matter what Namco does, people will always complain. Only people who can't ever win a tournament want to ban Hilde. Then again, there are very, very few active tourney players left for this game (as far as the USA) so I guess at this point, doesn't matter. We can all agree Namco put way more time into T6 and T6BR than they did SC4. You either like SC or you don't, but banning things that don't need to be banned is nothing short of being lazy. That's why SC players never cut it in Tekken, they can't adapt to change if their lives depended on it. This community is just embarrassing sometimes. And if you take offense to this post, I'm probably talking to you
 
from what I hear Hilde was actually stronger in SCBD, so unless changes were made the same problem would remain.

Personally I feel the community is small enough as it is, additional bans takes away. A stage ban barely handicaps Hilde, it just makes the ring out less excessive. I enjoy fighting Hilde on the ice stage and other stages of that sort.

Either way in the future no matter how the next installment turns out the commutiy has to work together to improve the longevity of the game. as it is no one agrees on anything, compromise is impossible, and through it all good players end up leaving. If we could instead address all issues with the game from the beggining instead of taking the "let's see what happens at nationals and evo approach" I think less players would be lost and more people will be playing the game for a longer time. The fact of the matter is no matter how good a game the next installment is it's up to the community to keep the game as alive.(and by this statement I mean more people will be playing the game 1.5 years in then there are now)
 
I was refering to losing two of the nations top players. I think finding a middle ground would have been a better solution than pretty much discarding dedicated players.

Also I agree that most left when no ban was in place, but it should have been done ages ago and not after people have committed to there character.

But I think its best if we agree to disagree so a valid thread doesn't end up closed.
 
BABY: Ayo! What up boi...glad to hear you're back on the scene.


*sigh*...This game wouldn't need a revival if key people in the community wouldn't post so selfishly and irresponsibly. It's down right reckless...but nobody cares when it matters. They don't realize that the online community pretty much = the community. That being that the game is so niche and everything they say and do makes an impression on people trying to get into the game seriously or stay once they're in. The SC community is like a moth to a flame....forever destroying itself because it refuses to learn from the past mistakes of itself and others. This happened with SC2 (towards the end of its life), SC3, SC4 and if Namco's future installments aren't 100% perfect with no bad glitches/character balance issues (very rare for a fighting game...especially one w/o arcade support), to the point where people can enjoy the game minus the melodrama that comes with the community that's already established...it'll happen again. Stop blaming Namco every other year and look in the mirror. I'm not posting to rant, or to sound like a broken record...i'm just sayin, I don't know why you all are trying to convince people to stay in a community that is disfunctional. Why would anyone want to stay in this abusive relationship?


Ok...so now organizers are forced to bribe people into playing again. Really?? I spoke with Noface via text and I agreed (and Aris apparently) to go to a tournament with $500 garunteed...and decided to come on the boards and see what's up with this. Make no mistake...I would be playing for the money and I think I know Aris enough to say that he would too. While I appreciate what Ramon and everyone else is trying to do here...this is a truly fucked up state of affairs and it was totally unnecessary and aviodable. You telling me I gotta play for money now that I can't play for the love of the game...because of certain people in community? Nevermind Namco not updating the game consistantly. IMO, they did their part with the first couple of updates...then they left the community to govern itself with a pretty good game and you all dropped the ball with that macho, man up or get out shit. Now you mad because people left/are leaving?? ROFLGTFOASAP. What's worse is that you didn't care when people that actually were good at the game, cared to get better and were passionate about it, left...and now you're just trying to get people to play so a game that you enjoy for whatever reason doesn't die out completely and god forbid, you get lonely and have to play with yoursel...err...by yourself. Some I would even believe just want newbies and scrubs to continue playing to continue to add more money to the pot...some of yall are that selfish. Man up?? Some of you aren't men at all. Especially in the face of a "top player". Following suit and all that...


I said it before and i'll say it again. It's not Hilde that's the problem...it's the community and it's inability to compromise for the sake of everyone playing the game. You guys are worreid about "scrubs" quitting and asking them to stay...while in the same breath calling them fucking scrubs. LOL. Yeah, that's encouraging :/. Now you're all like ok, ok...we'll ban Hilde to give you some incentive. Again...ITS NOT ABOUT HILDE, and it never was. The people that have stuck with this game have been playing 2+ years WITH Hilde and Algol/SW/whoever because they respected the powers that be's ability to make a good decision concerning the well being of the community. Everyone with half a brain knew this game was gonna need some solid perimeters if the game was going to maintain some kind of competitive longevity...yet you all dropped the ball...again...lol. And after constant warning at that! My god. I love calibur, and I love certain friends I have met here over the years...but as a whole, fuck you guys. Seriously.

The SF commuinity and the Tekken community do well because they have structure and maturity. The organizers/heads/OG's of those communities can talk about these issues in a diplomatic fashion and give the people what's best instead of what they think they want, while at the same time empathetically respecting the community's views, concerns and opinions on matters that effect the future of the game. But above all else, once again...the game lives and dies by it's community, and it's ability to make decisions for the good of itself. The people that make the decisions in other FG communities aren't biased because they place at tournemnts like the SC community. Mr. Wizard, Castel and the likes don't even compete anymore, maybe that's why they can make sound decisions. I mean, didn't Jaxel make this site to get away from all that elitest, some > all, bureaucratic mentality? That's the impression he gave with all that drama at caliburforums.com...but looks like either that wasn't the case and the site is either just poorly managed, has no worthwhile direction/mission or exists mainly out of spite. No hate on Jaxel...but this is just like a PG'er version of what caliburfourms was underneath all the tears. Same issues, new site. I say all of that just to say that this community is stuck on stupid and will continue to be and NEVER floursih unless it grows up. It doesn't take a leader and it doesn't take Namco to care... it takes you.


Then...and only then will the community and the game thrive.
 
Great post, MoTempest. There's so much truth in there. I'm guessing their plan of "man up or gtfo" kinda backfired on them. SC4Online is the biggest community for Calibur. There are alot of really good players online that I feel would give these offline players a run for their money. At the very least, they would be recognised for their skill in execution and overall gameplay.

The same can be said for Namco about learning from their mistakes. Wether or not they view their faults as mistakes has not been seen. The net code made alot of offline competitors not give it a chance. To them, online doesn't even exsist. So, if Namco has been paying attention to their own work, they would see that it needs more work and will address it next time since it's pretty apparent they've abandoned this installment.

Offline is where the money is. That is a big incentive for most to travel. The idea of doing something you enjoy and being able to make money off of it is a dream come true. Money is also healthy for competition. IdleMind is trying his best to get good players that have quit to give the game another chance. Hopefully they will begin to enjoy it again. (I hope that you do specifically as I miss our online battles. Breakfast in Bed misses you too) This will set the ball in motion for someone in their community to step up and make these tournaments a regular thing. IdleMind is a native to SoCal so he chose that community to try and revive. You should feel fortunate for this. He's setting an example. If others want to revive their community, an approach like this would be a good idea. I did something like this back in SC2 days and it worked.


It's been said before why Hilde was banned, so I won't get on that subject. However, it does seem that the orignal plan of "man up of gtfo" kind of backfired, and with a response like that, it's apparent that the Hilde character has done something negative. The few that remained, learned of ways to deal with her issues, have stepped their game up to overcome those balance issues, and some were successful. There aren't just 2 people that are able to defeat Hilde in a convincing fashion. There are alot, actually. People had to work hard to do this, and now that Hilde is banned, well, some may be a bit bitter about that decision since they haven't been able to prove themselves by being successful in defeating a top Hilde in a tournament. All that work for nothing, you know?

Anywho, you've made alot of very good points, and I agree with just about everything. We need structure. A hierarchy, if you will. It's a job that nobody really wants as they just want to play the game and enjoy themselves. There are too many soapbox heroes here fighting for their own beliefs. There's way too much "I, me, my, mine" stuff going on for anybody to really take them serious. The leader needs to leave out their own beliefs and concentrate on what's going on around them. Truly address them as peoples concerns. I don't see anybody doing that. WCMaxi did it before as part of his responsibility with Namco were administrating the SC forums, and he also loved the game. Once that stopped, he stopped, and left people in charge that he felt could handle the pressure and resonsibility. It's funny that none of those people today play Soul Calibur. The entire Mid-West is practically dead when it comes to Soul Calibur. It's like that everywhere. However, it was never really big in the first place, hype excluded.

It's just sad that your post will probably fall on deaf ears.
 
M0-T3MP35T said:
BABY: Ayo! What up boi...glad to hear you're back on the scene.


*sigh*...This game wouldn't need a revival if key people in the community wouldn't post so selfishly and irresponsibly. It's down right reckless...but nobody cares when it matters. They don't realize that the online community pretty much = the community. That being that the game is so niche and everything they say and do makes an impression on people trying to get into the game seriously or stay once they're in. The SC community is like a moth to a flame....forever destroying itself because it refuses to learn from the past mistakes of itself and others. This happened with SC2 (towards the end of its life), SC3, SC4 and if Namco's future installments aren't 100% perfect with no bad glitches/character balance issues (very rare for a fighting game...especially one w/o arcade support), to the point where people can enjoy the game minus the melodrama that comes with the community that's already established...it'll happen again. Stop blaming Namco every other year and look in the mirror. I'm not posting to rant, or to sound like a broken record...i'm just sayin, I don't know why you all are trying to convince people to stay in a community that is disfunctional. Why would anyone want to stay in this abusive relationship?


Ok...so now organizers are forced to bribe people into playing again. Really?? I spoke with Noface via text and I agreed (and Aris apparently) to go to a tournament with $500 garunteed...and decided to come on the boards and see what's up with this. Make no mistake...I would be playing for the money and I think I know Aris enough to say that he would too. While I appreciate what Ramon and everyone else is trying to do here...this is a truly fucked up state of affairs and it was totally unnecessary and aviodable. You telling me I gotta play for money now that I can't play for the love of the game...because of certain people in community? Nevermind Namco not updating the game consistantly. IMO, they did their part with the first couple of updates...then they left the community to govern itself with a pretty good game and you all dropped the ball with that macho, man up or get out shit. Now you mad because people left/are leaving?? ROFLGTFOASAP. What's worse is that you didn't care when people that actually were good at the game, cared to get better and were passionate about it, left...and now you're just trying to get people to play so a game that you enjoy for whatever reason doesn't die out completely and god forbid, you get lonely and have to play with yoursel...err...by yourself. Some I would even believe just want newbies and scrubs to continue playing to continue to add more money to the pot...some of yall are that selfish. Man up?? Some of you aren't men at all. Especially in the face of a "top player". Following suit and all that...


I said it before and i'll say it again. It's not Hilde that's the problem...it's the community and it's inability to compromise for the sake of everyone playing the game. You guys are worreid about "scrubs" quitting and asking them to stay...while in the same breath calling them fucking scrubs. LOL. Yeah, that's encouraging :/. Now you're all like ok, ok...we'll ban Hilde to give you some incentive. Again...ITS NOT ABOUT HILDE, and it never was. The people that have stuck with this game have been playing 2+ years WITH Hilde and Algol/SW/whoever because they respected the powers that be's ability to make a good decision concerning the well being of the community. Everyone with half a brain knew this game was gonna need some solid perimeters if the game was going to maintain some kind of competitive longevity...yet you all dropped the ball...again...lol. And after constant warning at that! My god. I love calibur, and I love certain friends I have met here over the years...but as a whole, fuck you guys. Seriously.

The SF commuinity and the Tekken community do well because they have structure and maturity. The organizers/heads/OG's of those communities can talk about these issues in a diplomatic fashion and give the people what's best instead of what they think they want, while at the same time empathetically respecting the community's views, concerns and opinions on matters that effect the future of the game. But above all else, once again...the game lives and dies by it's community, and it's ability to make decisions for the good of itself. The people that make the decisions in other FG communities aren't biased because they place at tournemnts like the SC community. Mr. Wizard, Castel and the likes don't even compete anymore, maybe that's why they can make sound decisions. I mean, didn't Jaxel make this site to get away from all that elitest, some > all, bureaucratic mentality? That's the impression he gave with all that drama at caliburforums.com...but looks like either that wasn't the case and the site is either just poorly managed, has no worthwhile direction/mission or exists mainly out of spite. No hate on Jaxel...but this is just like a PG'er version of what caliburfourms was underneath all the tears. Same issues, new site. I say all of that just to say that this community is stuck on stupid and will continue to be and NEVER floursih unless it grows up. It doesn't take a leader and it doesn't take Namco to care... it takes you.


Then...and only then will the community and the game thrive.
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So you're saying you stopped playing because of the community?
 
Enkindu said:
It's just sad that your post will probably fall on deaf ears.
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I hope it does. MoTempest isn't even speaking to anyone specifically. It's just a vague comment pointed at some invisible wall because he thinks some vague individuals are being mean. Here's what I take issue with:

"What's worse is that you didn't care when people that actually were good at the game, cared to get better and were passionate about it."

Bullshit! If they were so passionate then they wouldn't just drop the game entirely. There's a chance some might play locally and they just don't post. That's fine. But don't quit the game and tell me you were passionate about it. Being passionate doesn't mean you quit because somebody hurts your feelings. So that's a lie. And as far as I'm concerned, that takes away all credibility from criticizing in the first place. Being mad at people for being mad about the game. Come on, haha.
 
That's his perception. It's hardly a reason to discredit his entire post for something you may or may not have been a part of. Some people can be so passionate about something that their feelings get hurt enough to stop doing something they enjoy. Rather than face ridicule, they move on to something they are able to enjoy. People that quit because of the community have a valid reason for leaving. The reason behind this website starting was because of the same thing. Some people handle it differently. There's a difference from being criticised and being humliated for voicing your opinion's.

It doesn't matter if it's vauge or specifics aren't involved. That only adds fuel to the fire that he left because of in the first place. Why give the specifics the satisfaction of knowing they got to you? My enemies aim for the heart, but they don't find one.

Time and the dust of the empty desert now cover the big SC scene. My Hilde, gone before to an early grave, has left me with the tears of regret. None, but the lonely heart can disclose what it is that makes a man ride off. The wolves howl at the moon and my six-gun is never away from my side. What am I to do? How can I stay? A bandito's life is not for sitting in an online lobby. I am found now, once more, in the Baja, alone at the seaside table. Here the Pacific ocean cools the hooves, of my horse, in it's raging surf. Don Enkindu! Don Enkindu! how I long for the presidential palace and the adoring crowds of my people. Here laying drunk in the sands and sea I am alone. The arcade is far away.
 
As long as everyone complaining here showed the love at the Namco site, is all good.

Keep showing support for SC at that thread.

If someone is bitching here and didn't support there, you are just trolling.

Support SC first at least.
 
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