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Wouldn't it be easier to export the replay and upload it?
SCV Ivy Video Thread
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Wouldn't it be easier to export the replay and upload it?
WhYYZ
[10] Knight
Not everyone has a PS3. :(
Ring
Lay still now
Oh, sorry. I keep forgetting you can't do that on Xbox.
I watched your video. You missed some block punishments and whiff punish opportunities. Nightmare is a character that can outdamage Ivy easily and also his zoning is stronger. You need to get all damage you can get. Check the punishment thread! =)
Ryoka
[09] Warrior
Ok, it's not exactly "Ivy" but I remember there being mention of being able to delay 6B8 BE after 3A+B launches to get ground slam damage on top of that. Here's pretty much the best scenario as far as potential damage is concerned:
I think they gave that moves attributes to Viola(the move kind of looks like 8A+B,B but the orb spins arond Viola as she jumps in he air then she strike you).They just kept the end for Ivy's 8a+B,[B ]. Instead of initial rising rising part which I believe may have a tracked/steppkilled. She also lost her GB version of 6A+B i wonder wheather it would have been useful?
Edit: sorry for the gibberish i was trying to type and talk to a friend when I initially wrote this. WHyzz I like your zonining/space control opening the match up with 11A was brave and unexpected but a really good call.
350z
[09] Warrior
Since Ring asked me to come online and visit more, I'll share my first round match from the latest Jaxel Dome against a very tough opponent...Jian. I will be honest, I haven't had the number of hours required to get good at the game yet, and I haven't been playing very well. And to make matters worse, I have no idea what to do against Siegfried or Nightmare, so I played like a bitch and didn't use any of the tools and set ups that I usually use. I have to take those two characters (and more) into the lab. Not to mention I look fat on video. Wow, getting back into the gym today!
KineticClash
[10] Knight
I was wondering you fellow Ivys could do me a favor. Could you look at my MLG matches vs SU (posted below) and give me some advice for how matches 2-4 could've looked more like the first match... i.e. me winning, lol. What tools should I have utilized more? What were my major faults? What was I doing that was actually working?
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/89975-wr8-something-unique-vs-kinetic-clash-game-1
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/89978-wr8-something-unique-vs-kinetic-clash-game-2
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/90005-wr8-something-unique-vs-kinetic-clash-game-3
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/89973-wr8-something-unique-vs-kinetic-clash-game-4
Here's myexcuse theory. After making it into top 8, I was fairly satisfied with the place I was already in. That coupled with the fact that the match started out 2-3 in his favor basically killed my motivation. After winning the first match and still needing 3 more wins, I think I just mentally gave up. I started whiffing left and right, stood still like a deer in headlights, and became free to every grab. But I honestly need a second opinion. What do you guys think?
(P.S. Not trying to brag or I would've just posted that first match ;])
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/89975-wr8-something-unique-vs-kinetic-clash-game-1
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/89978-wr8-something-unique-vs-kinetic-clash-game-2
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/90005-wr8-something-unique-vs-kinetic-clash-game-3
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/89973-wr8-something-unique-vs-kinetic-clash-game-4
Here's my
(P.S. Not trying to brag or I would've just posted that first match ;])
WhYYZ
[10] Knight
This was pretty much the problem. First match you did move more and gave phyrra less chance to apply monster pressure.
Also he had some "block" strings he repeated that could have been Jg'd.
KineticClash
[10] Knight
Thanks for the input.
You mean AA and BB? Even if I could JG the second hits consistently, I would have to be certain that the last G I pressed was more than 30ish frames ago before attempting the JG. AA or BB is one of those quick strings where (I think) the second attack is not more than 30 frames after the first. Meaning I would have to be holding G a little before the first attack connects in order to actually JG that, if my understanding of the JG system is correct. Long story short, I haven't looked too far into JGing simple strings XD haha.
You mean AA and BB? Even if I could JG the second hits consistently, I would have to be certain that the last G I pressed was more than 30ish frames ago before attempting the JG. AA or BB is one of those quick strings where (I think) the second attack is not more than 30 frames after the first. Meaning I would have to be holding G a little before the first attack connects in order to actually JG that, if my understanding of the JG system is correct. Long story short, I haven't looked too far into JGing simple strings XD haha.
WhYYZ
[10] Knight
Not AA, BB. He used two moves after one another when blocked and got away with it multiple times.
After looking again you could have punished every single IYAAAAHHHH of Phyrra with either a lick or 1B BE.
After looking again you could have punished every single IYAAAAHHHH of Phyrra with either a lick or 1B BE.
Sora
[11] Champion
Well, the fact that KDZ was trolling you maybe didn't help too much? Lol j/k. :p
All in all though, you just got impatient I think. You didn't apply as much pressure successfully as you did in other matches (I should know, I was taking notes. :) ) and like WhYYZ said, you let SU get away with murder.
I think it boils down to tournament experience -- having that killer instinct (or lack thereof). Again, you did way better than me so feel free to take this with a grain of salt, but if I were in your position, I would've probably done worse: top 8 in the tournament would've made me give it up there too. It's not just a theory, its a natural tendency for newer tournament players after playing match after match.
KineticClash
[10] Knight
Agreed. Looking back, my punishments were so off. I'm pretty sure I blocked like 20 1Ks and only punished one of them. Same with stabs.
*sigh* Why was this my only streamed match? At least it's good for finding my mistakes.
SwordGluttony
[08] Mercenary
PhredLevi
[09] Warrior
Here's my latest Ivy goings.
Still not doing any Calamity Symphony, but I think I'm getting better otherwise.
ddshroud
[08] Mercenary
First, bonus points for the cute hat! Ivy players are definitely the more stylish ones on stream.
By all means, I am no expert as I've never been on a tournament [no huge scene in NYC from what I've seen unless I've been looking in the wrong places, which is likely, haha], so my opinion may not be too valuable, but I did see some patterns in the matches. Echoing previous comments, I think rush down would have been best as he was spooked by your CSs and mid mix-up pressure in the first match. From the second match on, you started retreating after his blocked strings and he started guerrilla raiding you.
His general strategy, after you canceled out his rushdown with 3B and CS in the first match, was to run up to your face and either 1k or AA you, then retreat and charge with safe 66A, 66B, 6B+K and throws. 66A would have neutralized his backstep, and if he chose to spam you with AA/BB then 6B+K once his retreat failed, 6KB would be a nice interrupt.
3B is amazing, but I think he caught on and started backing up from its range when he had advantage. Perhaps 3A might work as an alternate mid-mixup aside from 2A+B and 3B? It's only -6 on block, stuns on NH and CH and I've used it as a CS buffer as well as a round ender. Speaking of, what has everyone's experience been with 3A?
Congratulations again on your performance! Looking forward to more vids in the future.
KineticClash
[10] Knight
Can't believe I didn't see your comment until now ddshroud! But thank you for that very helpful advice (and the compliment ;]). I was not aware that 3A was only -6 on block. I tend to use a lot of "safe" moves that are more negative (2A+B, 3B, 6KB, 66A, 6A) which limit my options for movement if they guard. Being a safe, faux step-killing mid, 3A is definitely underrated. And you're right, his strategy was kind of to pretend to rushdown, while really he was just baiting whiff punishes.
Anyways, here is my EVO loser's bracket pool match against Keev. Hopefully it gives some Ivy's insight of what works and what doesn't work against Nightmare.
Even though I didn't get a match, it was a lot closer than I thought it was now that I'm watching it. A couple things I've noticed about the first match... I was doing pretty good at spacing and getting my 3B counter hits. My offense was better than it usually is, but my defense was definitely lacking. I made the mistake of ducking during his GS B, I tried to 214B on wakeup and ate his 1A, and I failed to duck that long range low (1B?). However, what REALLY killed me were my CE attempts (although that last CE would've hit if it was just a FEW frames ealier, haha). I definitely need to find a better use for meter, but JGs have me fearing ALL her BEs. Maybe I should GI more? Idk, what do you guys think?
As for the next match, Keev totally surprised me by changing from a patient and defensive playstyle to an aggressive and pressuring one. He was rewarded with a perfect for that round. I nearly made a comeback on that second one, and I would've had that round too if I noticed how often he was ducking and used 3B instead of grab. Again, I was having trouble finding what to do with my meter. I should've been attempting to punish 3 with 8A+BB instead of backing up and using 2B+Ks. That 6B+K at the end was a crucial mistake... I was trying to bait 33B BE since 6B+K has surprisingly good recovery, but Keev's reactions were too quick. Hope this helps... Any advice/criticism/pointers would be appreciated =].
Anyways, here is my EVO loser's bracket pool match against Keev. Hopefully it gives some Ivy's insight of what works and what doesn't work against Nightmare.
Even though I didn't get a match, it was a lot closer than I thought it was now that I'm watching it. A couple things I've noticed about the first match... I was doing pretty good at spacing and getting my 3B counter hits. My offense was better than it usually is, but my defense was definitely lacking. I made the mistake of ducking during his GS B, I tried to 214B on wakeup and ate his 1A, and I failed to duck that long range low (1B?). However, what REALLY killed me were my CE attempts (although that last CE would've hit if it was just a FEW frames ealier, haha). I definitely need to find a better use for meter, but JGs have me fearing ALL her BEs. Maybe I should GI more? Idk, what do you guys think?
As for the next match, Keev totally surprised me by changing from a patient and defensive playstyle to an aggressive and pressuring one. He was rewarded with a perfect for that round. I nearly made a comeback on that second one, and I would've had that round too if I noticed how often he was ducking and used 3B instead of grab. Again, I was having trouble finding what to do with my meter. I should've been attempting to punish 3 with 8A+BB instead of backing up and using 2B+Ks. That 6B+K at the end was a crucial mistake... I was trying to bait 33B BE since 6B+K has surprisingly good recovery, but Keev's reactions were too quick. Hope this helps... Any advice/criticism/pointers would be appreciated =].
Sora
[11] Champion
All I know is you ALMOST had him, both times. I don't think you did anything glaringly wrong. He just had a really solid gameplan of what to do when being aggressive and when his opponent is spacing him out (the latter being what you opted for ;) Lol.)
I think it's just a matter of getting more clutch at this point. Again, his reactions were quick -- yours should be the same.
KineticClash
[10] Knight
Lol XD, yeah I remember you telling me not to let him backdash as much. I would've taken your advice and changed my gameplan if I had spent more time learning an offensive approach instead of defensive one. I was just too uncomfortable with going on the offense against a NM.
That's true about his reactions. I imagine he's been playing more than me, so it's no surprise he has better reflexes. I'll make sure to practice up on move recognition.
Also I remember you saying "Didn't go for the full combo?" or something like that when I did that wall combo. I didn't want to waste the meter, since it looked like I had already done enough damage. However, I didn't recognize that I wasn't even using meter in the first place.
Evan
[09] Warrior
Yeah, you didn't do anything glaringly wrong... you missed a punish here or there (but the ones you missed were in that iffy range where 6B8K might whiff)
I would consider the fact that you made Keev really work for that win a personal victory...
Meter usage does seem to be a problem with Ivy. Just nothing to use it on against the best players.
Your JG on Nightmare's BE, was really good... I keep forgetting you can do that. But I don't play many Nightmares... we don't have any real local NM players, so I just get the random online people :/
Sora
[11] Champion
And on that note, using meter to get the kill for sure with Ivy is a no-brainer. :)
... unless you're playing against a Viola. Then I would keep it for GI. :p