SCV- New CHARACTER ideas

RWB said:
There's also some positive stereotypes....READ your own posts. You claimed SC was a medieval game, which is wrong. The medieval era ended several decades before SC.????You may certainly be right that FEW play SC in Africa. But to claim none, is likely not correct
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More like Slim without actual meeting a person. Calling this post middle ages changes what? They still use swords to fight. Enlighten me on positive stereotypes of African tribals that aren't native american banality.
 
It's rather derogatory to say that all blacks have forgotten their heritage, and that an African tribal character is racist/automatic racism magnet. If I recall correctly, Zasalamel was never met with any particular racist remarks, so why should a tribal character?
 
TypicalEvil said:
More like Slim without actual meeting a person.
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Please explain this. The wording makes me confused.

TypicalEvil said:
Calling this post middle ages changes what? They still use swords to fight.
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Which was done before and after the middle ages(For millenia before, still for a few centuries after). You still claimed something that is straight out factually wrong, deal with it.

TypicalEvil said:
Enlighten me on positive stereotypes of African tribals that aren't native american banality.
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I will make that relative positivity. Almost every stereotype is harmful in some way, even when it's "good".

The positive stereotype: Tribal(a faulty word to begin with) Africans are brave, proud men who stand up against even the deadliest of threats. They are mighty athletes.

Reason for this? Killing lions and other impressive beasts. Taking stands against the technologically superior europeans.

If this is one of those "native american banality" things you complain about, say hello to Mitsurugi, who is pretty much the japanese equivalent(just add "Master Swordsman" to the list and scratch the mighty athlete part).

As for why "tribal" is a faulty term, I quote Pier M. Larson, Associate Professor
of the Department of History of The Johns Hopkins University. Expert in African History:

Pier M. Larson said:
Myth: Africans are primarily tribespeople; Africans are organized first and foremost into tribes while Europeans are primarily organized into nations.

False. The word "tribe" is a European word, not an African one. It is a term originating in the Judeo-Christian tradition (the "tribes" of Israel) that Europeans have historically used to name Africans, not a term that Africans have historically used to refer to themselves. No one, in any case, knows precisely what a tribe is. There is no agreed upon definition because the word is not scientific or precise in any sense—it is an invented category. Essentially designating an "ethnic group," the term "tribe" is employed by people who consider themselves "normal" to refer to others who they consider to be unlike themselves in a negative way. Thus Americans will immediately think of Africans as tribes, but talk about Norwegians, French, Mexicans, Poles or African Americans as "ethnic groups" or "nations." In the West, "tribe" carries the connotation of socially backward, not advanced or sophisticated, and therefore Westerners employ it liberally to refer to Africans because they mistakenly believe these are primary African characteristics (this, like most of the other myths, is part of the inheritance of racism). A further problem arises because in Africa today you will hear many Africans refer to themselves as members of tribes. This usage comes from an acceptance of the European terminology by some Africans, a terminology that was employed so much during the colonial period (the early 20th century) that many Africans have internalized it and continue to use the term. Like Americans, however, Africans are unlikely to employ the term "tribe" to refer to Europeans. Because some Africans employ the term "tribe" to refer to themselves, however, does not make "tribe" any more legitimate than when Europeans employ it.
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Fatal_Exodus said:
It's rather derogatory to say that all blacks have forgotten their heritage, and that an African tribal character is racist/automatic racism magnet. If I recall correctly, Zasalamel was never met with any particular racist remarks, so why should a tribal character?
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Zas isn't potrayed to be black, he's potrayed as a spectre. Nothing outside our own acknowledgement says hes black. The game doesn't use race for any motivation.
RWB said:
Which was done before and after the middle ages(For millenia before, still for a few centuries after). You still claimed something that is straight out factually wrong, deal with it.
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Are you telling me if a person vaguely looks at this game, they will say that this is a post-medieval game taking place in the late middle ages or early dark ages with the fall of the roman empire? I dont think so. Gamewise, its a generalization not a history assignment nor is this game historiographically potraying any real world events. Clearly you are making it into a bigger deal then this is.
 
Still stands, Zasalamel's current incarnation is black, yet no one ever bagged on him wearing a white Death costume or having a traditional voodoo robe thing for his regular outfits.
 
Fatal_Exodus said:
Still stands, Zasalamel's current incarnation is black, yet no one ever bagged on him wearing a white Death costume or having a traditional voodoo robe thing for his regular outfits.
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Why would anyone hate that? If he wasnt in that role he probably would have raised complaints.
Im really tired of this argument now, I'd like to see them make a dude with the body of Kratos/Clothing like Rock's SC3 outfit but using African skins like leopards /Wildebeast/Impala or Hyenas (and more covered up) with the honor and respect of Mitsu/Kilik then forget it.

Like: If the man was inside this as a symbol of noble pride of nature and his destined fight is with Bangoo then sure why not. His name should mean something in regards to his personality or character:
AZUBUIKE Means "the past is your strength" or "your back is your strength" in Igbo.
JELANI Means "mighty" in Swahili.
ZUBERI Means "strong" in Swahili.

"I may wear the skin of a beast but I can share with you.. the wisdom of man who tames him"
"Your will to continue onward can be your greatest strength."
"This loss for you could have been avoid."

"Your style of figting is much different then mine, perhaps we can pass our skill onto each other if we meet again."
"No...my family...wait for me..." (Losing Quote)

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2nd Costume:
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This, I'd like to see, and would prefer over the other picture of the "Shaka Zulu" guy personally.
 
I see no difference in this guy you're mentioning with Shaka Zulu. If I had your mindset, I'd say they're both "racism magnets".
 
That African style person looks too Europeanized to be considered "cultural". We already have a left hand longsword wielder in Zwei, and that guy doesn't look like he'd bring any diversity to the series other than being African in general.

I'd take spear and shield Shaka Zulu over that.
 
Just use Gatsu's design and give him a lion mask.


BUT, has anyone thought of recycling King, just like they did with Yoshimitsu?
 
Fuma Ninja wielding a Kusarigama (Well Taki is gone so this character is kind of pointless now tbh)
Cocky gun wielding Samurai (Like the old folk tales; similar to Mitsurugi's final boss on SB)
Heroic type of nomad character that utilizes his Fists because he doesn't believe in weapons. (Wants to destroy SE like the other good guys)
 
A female large weapon user/power character. So far we've only had guest chars like Ashlotte and Kakirimusi do it. Let the ladies use massive weapon too.....and none of that cutsey 'teeter tottering' off balance when she swings stuff either.

A mage. Yes A mage. SC often references magic for whatever random thing happens or alters people, or even creates characters from it(Astaroth), but somehow not one of the characters is a mage. The closest is Talim(Who supposedly has wind powers we never really get to see her use) It wouldn't be that hard to just SAY someone's a mage, give them a staff weapon and give them a few flashy grabs that look like spells or attack grabs that look like spells.Or even one off charged attacks(Such as the characters UB or a Guard crush) and making it look like a spell cast. Voila. Mage character. Hell it doesn't even have to use a staff really.

A demon or some form of monster. How is it in a series with a all powerful evil sword going around corrupting people and spreading evil and such we still have yet to have a single 'demon' character besides Nightmare and even he's really just a living incarnation of the soul edge itself. Where the hell are all the altered humans? Someone out there by now should be a walking monster. Sure Taki and her clan are going around killing demons, Sure, Kilik and X are going around healing people of their taint or whatever. But that just proves the point that they are out there! You'd think by now some demon would be hunting Taki or whoever instead of waiting around to be 'purified' Or would align itself with the soul edge(Since it's apparently using body guards now) or something. Siegfried turned into Nightmare, and was well on his way to becoming some kind of monstrosity..........Yet Amy and Raphael just get colored eyes and vampirism? Nightmare apparently stopped changing altogether and Cervantes hasn't been scary since Soul Blade(where he had all kinds of power).

A blacksmith/weaponsmith character-I know it's odd, but I'd like to see one as a combatant. It actually makes some degree of sense, Who would be more curious about the soul edge and calibur than someone who makes weapons? Their goal could be to make their own less dangerous version of one or intending to further refine them or discover the secret of their ability to change form to suit the wielder. Whatever. There's no end to what could be done with this sort of character in a universe that's focused on weapons.

Someone who uses armor as if it were a weapon(Serrated edges on the armor or something) using simple punches/kicks and grapples for offense with a emphasis on defensive fighting. Guard Impacting(Perhaps a couple of aGI's?)/counter striking. Probably a character with a unique mechanic or flaw/bonus attached to it such as taking some damage when guarding but having an innate impact edge effect or something. (Usually characters with 'hidden' or 'bonus' mechanics wind up low tier because they drag them down since I.E. Mina's reliance on spacing, Tira's reliance on mood switching/self damage. but I think it could be a interesting character. either way.)

A male alexandran was on my list but then we got one......Then I was disappointed further by the fact he's a clone. Just a male cass.All I have to say about him now is.......I better not see a butt bump. Seriously that's just wrong.

More 'evil' characters in general really. I'd like to see game have more of a balance of 'good' and 'evil' characters rather than like all but 3 or 4 being good. Or neutral(people who started off going one way but somewhere along the way change their mind and do something else)

Last but not least. Black people- The game spans multiple countries. The characters travel the world.....Yet apparently the only black person to matter is Zas....and even he isn't all that relevant. I want to see more, I don't care what their weapon are, I don't care if it's a spear chucking seterotype. I don't care if it's got a primitive club/shield combo, I don't even care if you just give em A stick....two sticks even! (There actually are fighting styles that use sticks) Just throw some into the game. I would say just make it a staff fighter, but Kilik's stolen that role(Litterally since it originaly belonged to mina and he eclipsed her) if mina doesn't return in V, I'd say a black female spear fighter should fill her slot.
 
I agree that SC needs a better variety. Just by changing the hair color of some characters would help ALOT.

1) An African warrior like Gatsu said. He can battle with a Hunga Munga sword. I like the idea that he's tall, but don't make him lankey. Put some muscle on him so he can be unique than most Africans in earlier times.

2) Another African girl from another tribe whos is in war with # 1s tribe. She can have a bow and arrow like Link did in SC2. Anoher weapon she can have is a spear.She can be short and skinny.

3) I was thinking an American Indian, but If I remember Bangoo, he's American Indian.

4) An Arabian or Indian warrior would be creative too.

Hopes: No more building your character to be powerful. I can't tell you how many times I've played online and got my man handled by a custom character that wore a witch hat with caretakers pants. Let us choose our weapons after we choose our character!​
 
Not really an idea but I've said before that if a black female character makes it into the game, that's who I'm playing.
 
Fatal_Exodus said:
That African style person looks too Europeanized to be considered "cultural". We already have a left hand longsword wielder in Zwei, and that guy doesn't look like he'd bring any diversity to the series other than being African in general.

I'd take spear and shield Shaka Zulu over that.
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1. Zwei isnt using the same Longsword as Link
2. Soul calibur isnt prominently representing nonfictional culture outside of the asian ones nor is pleasing every race of people the actual goal. This isnt deadliest warrior or SF. I dont think it matters at all, and not all black people have those features as distinct or exaggerated as you assume, as not all asians have slanted eyes.
 
I never said anything about pleasing everyone or exaggerating stereotypes like that. Rather, your point looks it's more directed at that guy up there.

- Pick some random African
- Look random Swahili names
- ????
- (profit)

That's basically how that guy came to be. Unlike Shaka Zulu, who has actual basis.
 
Fatal_Exodus said:
I never said anything about pleasing everyone or exaggerating stereotypes like that. Rather, your point looks it's more directed at that guy up there.

- Pick some random African
- Look random Swahili names
- ????
- (profit)

That's basically how that guy came to be. Unlike Shaka Zulu, who has actual basis.
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"Zulu" isnt even the actual person's name, his name was Shaka kaSenzangakhona and I already said that the guy I suggested would be "Shaka Zulu" if thought out better and the "Hunga Munga" sword? Yeah, that just sounds insulting. -_- Making up words does not explore culure. And soul calibur has never used real warriors for their characters, they're all made up if you hadn't noticed by now so I don't see why the character I suggested is such a mistake when Its the same basic thing they do if not less detailed. Soul calibur characters are fully clothed and attractive to the eyes in design, Shaka is plain and stereotypical. this isnt a history documentry of simulator, Its a fantasy game like Warcraft so I dont see why a fully clothed elegant tribal is so taboo.

African swords are similar to Yun Seung's weapons or Xianghua's actually. You people endlessly complain about hilde but want a guy with the same weapon if not worse? hello hypocrites. I dont want long spears.
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And who ever said tribe is not a European word, you're wrong. The word is from Old French "tribu,"
 
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