Should Algol Be Banned

Banning Algol From Tournaments?

  • Yes, ban Bubble boy. And All his sheninigans.

    Votes: 86 41.3%

  • A partial ban. Ex. His bubble Shield.

    Votes: 20 9.6%

  • No, ALGOL BANS YOU!

    Votes: 102 49.0%
  • Total voters
    208
I am currently reading a thread on the main French SC forum and the guys are starting to say things like "maybe we should consider reinstating Algol, because the Americans still authorize him" (French work the other way around: they ban everyone first, and then do the talking).

If that ever happens, that story will never end ! Maybe we should work together on this.

From what I can read though, they are still discussing and nowhere close to taking any action about reinstating him. However, any major decision possibly made in the US in the coming days could seriously influence their decision, knowing how bad they'd like to fight the Americans once again ;)

Seems like it's a transition period for Algol on both sides of the Atlantic, and we should be moving in the same direction for the best of the worldwide community.
 
I am against banning Algol because he has no cheap tricks, you guys just suck at dodging, GI-ing, and interrupting his combos.
 
KowtowRobinson said:
He's slow in close and has to rely on unsafe tech crouching moves like 1b to get people off his ass. His only damaging low is unsafe and slow. Get in and do enough damage, and then run the clock on HIM if he's gonna spam bubbles.
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Right, but anything that hits and leads to a combo that lasts almost 40 seconds, even if the damage is low, is utter nonsense. I've beaten Algol plenty of times, and i have yet to play someone who is just totally dominant with him, but i am definitely afraid of being air juggled forever. Not to mention, stupidly long stuns and other nonsense. Obviously i'm going to listen to you, but I still think he's the dumbest thing in 4.
 
Look what you guys did. You made Algol cry.

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This thread makes me sad for humanity. I would love to hear one reason why Algol should be banned that isn't "OMG, h3 h4z t3h bvbbl3z!!!!" or "OMG, h3z a b0ss!!" There are a lot of characters better than Algol, and none of them are even being considered for a ban. Grow up, people, and try to use that blob of flesh between your ears.
 
dastrn said:
Is Algol dominating the tournament scene? If not, then no reason to ban him.

The smash bros community is having trouble deciding whether to ban Metaknight or not. In that conversation, MK is starting to dominate regionally and even nationally at tournaments. He is doing more than twice as good as any other character in tournaments. And even there, most top players and top tournament organizers don't want him banned yet.
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I agree with this. If we start seeing an Algol bandwagon, then the community can begin to consider a ban. I think all we need is time; more time for people to actually play against an Algol player and learn how to deal with him-- yes, it's quite different than what was in SC games of the past, but who says you can't adapt. Just treat the bubbles as frame traps and keep blocking or GI his follow up attacks. Also, all his bubbles hit semi-mid, so if he does :4::Ah:+:Bh: and tries to catch you with his :1::1::A:, you can crouch and guard both hits. Seems like it's common sense, but people freeze up and hold G whenever they see bubbles. People also need to punish him more. :1::1::A:, :6::6::A:, :3::A::A:, :bA:, are all punishable by something. It's all just a lack of knowledge/experience when it comes to Algol.
 
KingAce said:
The discussion on caliburforums continued here. So should Algol be banned, partially banned, or no ban.

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Edited to save space and brain cells... I cant deal with this so it should be banned... Ive heard it before

Algol may be stupid but banning it because you dont want to learn how to deal with it. If you turtle you have to deal with bubbles... if you play offensively you just run at him block a bubble and a mixup or just another bubble... you just have to break down his defense level by level... once your close hes not going to have advantage from them and they start to fail...
 
Ok, here is my problem. A lot of people have been giving reasons to ban him (stuns, juggles, bubbles, etc). Some of these seem valid. However, it has yet to be proven that Algol will dominate the tournament scene. Heck, how many tournaments has the guy actually won?

In essence people want to preemptively ban Algol for fear of what he might become. It's either that or the knee jerk reaction some people seem to have over the bubbles and the fact that he's a boss. Either way, I don't think it's the right reaction, but that's just me. I've had a good amount of experience as and vs Algol. I know what he can do and how annoying it can be, however, I also don't believe it's ban worthy... yet.
 
I played this Algol once he shot bubbles but then he started playing for real so I played for real then later in the round the bubble he shot a long time ago blocked over half the screen and we loled.

I don't want the fucker banned just fix that problem because I'm playing Soul Calibur not Ninja Gaiden kthanks.
 
Whether or not he is broken or overpowered by now doesn't seem to come into play.
The fact is that there are an overwhelming majority of people who do not want to ever have to fight this character. IF that is the case then as a community we need to accept that.

Even if some of that is based in ignorance it's still there in a majority against him. As long as Namco patches the game and every subsequent patch we go back over the character in an unbiased manner then at this stage banning him would most likely be for the best.
 
he isnt dominating the scene cuz nobody plays him but the few ppl that know what they are doing with him DO win tournaments... BAN ALGOL if not then im using him... and win just cuz he is rediculous
 
RiBu said:
Whether or not he is broken or overpowered by now doesn't seem to come into play.
The fact is that there are an overwhelming majority of people who do not want to ever have to fight this character. IF that is the case then as a community we need to accept that.
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In SC2, how may people out there would let out a resounding "damn it!" every time an opponent chose Xianghua?

How many people out there didn't ever want to have to fight her? Damn near everyone I know hated playing against her. Even people that PLAYED her thought she was annoying to play against (and AS, for that matter).

There's a similar situation with Sophie in SC4 (still carried over from SC3). She's boring as hell and crazy good and practically no one wants to ever have to play against her.

There will ALWAYS be more whiny bitches than solid players in EVERY game out there. Even though they're the majority, you can't cave to the whiny bitches.

Popular vote is an incredibly absurd way to judge official tournament rules in a COMPETETIVE fighter because of this very reason. This thread is SLIGHTLY better than the cf.com thread because there seems to be less non-tourny players here, but honestly, a lot of the people voting to ban Algol in tournies WON'T EVER PLAY IN A TOURNY THEIR ENTIRE LIFE!
 
I could careless if Algol dominates the scene or doesn't.
I am not voting to keep him with them damn bubbles, I don't care if you can go around them, or whatever argument you guys can come up with in regards of "his beatable."

The bubbles block the screen...And interfere with the fight. Your rebuttal.

You sometimes cannot tell whether the bubble missed you or hit you, a stupid and annoying factor. You're rebuttal.

The bubbles stall for time...and give him advantage when time is short, he can also back dash, and teleport...YOUR REBUTTAL.

The bubbles are on offensive and defensive tool, that can be spammed to no end. Your Rebuttal.

He can control the amount of room you can move in, with them damn bubbles, limiting your step at times. You're rebuttal.

Sometimes you have to choose between getting hit with Algols moves or getting hit for free dmg with the bubble, at which you will still be at disadvantage. Your rebuttal.

Okay so he has infinites...Your rebuttal.

SC is weapon based fighting game where 1 on 1 matches take place within a governed technical system of GIs 8Wr, spacing, TJ, TC, etc...Algol ignores a multitude of these laws, by simply hiding behind, air mines...Yes the bubble shield is just that a mine. It's distracting and annoying, irritating and not fun to play at all.

If you people are telling me you can't play this Algol without hiding behind those bubbles, then you get no sympathy from me. Fights are to be conducted face to face with that respect...We accepted Abyss because his projectiles could be easily stepped like any other B move. Algol is the exception to the rule, From the sides from the front and from the back...You have to deal with multiple attacks. And the way to get around is to be patience like a nice person.That you're to do an 8Wr all the way around the bubbles, while the Algol players gladly stops creating new bubbles...because his a nice guy.

Funny you people keep on bring up legitimate characters, like X or cass, when they no way ever altered the game. Sure they might be overpowered, but they didn't alter the way SC was played...and that's the situation with me at least in terms of Algol. If he has high dmging combos, that doesn't bother me at all, if he wins every tournament, I don't really care. As long as he does it without the bubble shield.
 
Don't do anything until everyone and their momma's momma starts spamming like mad and clearly dominating the competition. Until then, there's no need to ban him.
 
Either that or he comes up with a super ultimate infinite, i mean he has the potential. But remember what we said about spammers? If it's in the game, you can use it everything and anything goes, DEAL WITH IT.
 
The simple fact that he has a move that does not allow one of the competitors to decide on which direction to simply counter that said move should warrant a ban. Let's face it, at some point you will not be able to judge where certain bubbles are on the screen and you'll get punished for it. I watched a couple of matches and even tried playing some against Algol in the casuals after this weekend's Crooked Jester tourney and there was no denying that because of the visual cue of his bubble move, Algol's opponent could not judge where it stood in space and therefore was punished by being hit *mid-combo*, while stepping, and even 10 seconds after it had already come out initially. I move for at least a soft-ban on the character (meaning if one opponent disagrees to fight him, he can't be used).
 
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