siegfrieds bad matchups.

yea 3b gets gets siegfried punished alot vs ivy ,cervantes and Mitsurugi.

from wat ive seen Sieg has a pretty good matchup vs Astaroth, but i dont have to nuch experience vs faster characters.
 
Amy and X for speed/poking, Sophie for punishment speed and poking

Maybe throw in Ivy (seemingly better tools up close AND at longer ranges... gotta stay mid and pay attention to what stance she is in), Set and Cervy (Because they are "we have all tools" type characters)

Either way tho I don't think that any of these matchups are un-winnable.

- I.C.E.
 
All matchups can be winnable. Its just against some characters you will have to pull every trick you know just to beat them whereas they can easily interupt you and stop you in your tracks. Its not that their immpossible just alot harder to deal with.
 
i got trouble with some setsukas, amy cant get her off of me girl is like a magnet but im learning how 2 deal with her fairly well and REALLY GOOD mitsurugis everytime i beat a mitsurugi i scream out OH HELL YEAH no 2k b for me =) but it mostly depends on the player's skill and experience
 
Online ive had trouble with a Maxi and a X mostly and offline Eclairs Talims probrally my biggest problem but i dont consider myself top teir so this is purley Anecdotal evidence from someone who hasnt played a skilled player for every character.
 
I am not getting much response on the Asta vs Sieg matchup in the Asta thread, so here I am, haha.

What do you guys think are this matchup? I don't care much for win-loss ratio but I do care about comparative strengthes and weaknesses. For example, 3 is excellent against Asta because 1) Asta's pretty fat; it's not easy for him to step it 2) it's faster than Asta's main mid attack, bullrush ... especially at range 3) it TC Asta's command throws 4) Asta can not punish 3 hard enough to discourage Sieg from using it 5) Fearing 3, Asta may block too much and Sieg's CF game> Asta's CF game ... also, Sieg has decent wakes after his throws 6) it has good range and some pushout ... Asta's spacing game is not too effective against Sieg. Actually I am not too clear about which range is the best one at fighting Sieg.
 
Don't get too hung up on 3. Don't forget that Sieg has solid pokes in b6 and a+ka2A that Asta cannot easily deal with. You've also got agA to control his step and 4K as a safe mid poke, which isn't all that bad on block either. The thing with Sieg is, he's a solid mid range fighter, and he's got the ability to keep a lot of characters at that ideal range.
 
Asta is one of siegs best matchups. Sieg can whore out 3B all day and asta cant really do anything about it. You can bait him into doing that 2in1 punish. Just hold block after you do 3b and punish his punish since its only a 2in1 on CH and is minus 17+ so you can punish it with 3B haha. If he tries to knee you, use your knee after 3b. VS asta 3b is like all i do.
 
Tiamat said:
Beloved: Gimme a break dude. I hate "if this character DIDN'T have this" garbage. If Hilde didn't have doom combo, if Algol didn't have bubbles, if Sieg didn't have 3, ETC...

You wanna know something? THEY HAVE THOSE MOVES. So just shut up and deal with it. Your "what if" crap has no practical value whatsoever.
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If Siegfried didn't have a sword it would be easy to beat him ^_^
 
any decent strategies vs mitsurugi? sorry but im becoming pretty agressive when i see that who*e during 90% of my games online and feeling unable to beat any good shitsurugi user... his horizontal unblockables from that gay-stance are a decent joke :D especially when shitsu player knows sieg's moves and is able to block most of it, im deadly punished and getting annoyed which is not helping me to get up and win another round xD plz help people: what to do, what not to do and why vs that bitch xD sorry for my lanugage:)
 
Siegfried is the man! As much as I use him I never found any weaknesses. Any failure with him is brought by deficient skills in soul calibur (fundamentals) and siegfried techniques, Im thinkin he was ment for good player but his output is based of fundamentals and deception and thats all u need basically. I just wish I woulda noticed how overpowered he was from the start, coulda been kicking a whole lot of ass lol but really it takes like a month to fuck most ppl up wit siegfried.
 
OffbeatNinja said:
Asta is one of siegs best matchups. Sieg can whore out 3B all day and asta cant really do anything about it. You can bait him into doing that 2in1 punish. Just hold block after you do 3b and punish his punish since its only a 2in1 on CH and is minus 17+ so you can punish it with 3B haha. If he tries to knee you, use your knee after 3b. VS asta 3b is like all i do.
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Asta's 4B is what he should be using to punish 3B. If you do the knee it will trade with you and leave you grounded for a ground pickup/low throw techtrap. If you don't he gets some damage and it leaves him at neutral which isn't TOO bad.

I don't know why anybody would be using 6AB to punish you unless they were absolutely certain that you would do the knee.


But yeah Siegfried is seriously underrated. I would call him top tier but everybody on 8wr would laugh at me. It's ok, they're all going to feel the wrath of Siegfried at EVO.
 
asta have problems dealing with sieg mid range

3 in general is really Sieg's best move IMO

-LAU
 
Eh, with Asty, block 3B or 3 and just 6A,B.... Problem solved. Similiar with Kilik. 6A,A,A.

Siegfried, bad matchups, my personal experience is that Cass and Sets are usually in a good position against Siegfried. You have to be extremely careful in fighting them. As, they have moves that will punish a great deal of Siegfried's.

I won't argue 3 is useful. It's not broken. Overused, perhaps... but it shouldn't be relied on too much. It CAN be punished.

If you wanna talk broken... Cassandra can 236B after virtually anything Siegfried does for a free hit.

But lets not go there :D

Ciao,
-Blaize
 
IceColdEdge: I second you on the Ivy match up. Up close she's got things like 4K, 1K etc. that are better than just about anything you have and far away it's the same story. However if you play just outside of her close up game then you've got the edge.

Blaize: Against characters who can punish a lot of stance transitions, like Cass, you have to be willing to rely more on a traditional mid/low/throw sort of mix up game. Sieg's 4K, b6 and 3A are solid mids, and he's got a decent 1K and a+ka:2A as well as a fair bit of range on his throws - Cass can't really 236B any of these. Cass also has problems killing step at mid range, which is where Sieg wants to be anyway, so if you step guard at that range and apply pressure with pokes and mix ups you can swing the match in your favour. Careless 3Bing will get you killed though, SRSH remains useful just because it has a decent low/mid mix up.
 
At midrange Sieg dominates Ivy just like back in SC3 (only difference is 214B, which can still be dealt with using ranged horizontals as well as punished from pretty much every range). Up close her pokes are easily thwarted with 2A+B and 4B+K. She cant punish him hard and although her spacing game is annoying, Sieg can deal with it, just like vs Asta. 3 remains incredibly strong against her as long as its used outside of closerange. And even there she relies on the ch to get some good dmg out of it on guard.

@Blaize 6AB is not guaranteed unless Sieg does something out of SCH. Its not hit-confirmable and the B is launch-punishable, so that is definitely not the end-all-be-all vs 3.
 
Sacharja said:
At midrange Sieg dominates Ivy just like back in SC3 (only difference is 214B, which can still be dealt with using ranged horizontals as well as punished from pretty much every range). Up close her pokes are easily thwarted with 2A+B and 4B+K. She cant punish him hard and although her spacing game is annoying, Sieg can deal with it, just like vs Asta. 3 remains incredibly strong against her as long as its used outside of closerange. And even there she relies on the ch to get some good dmg out of it on guard.

@Blaize 6AB is not guaranteed unless Sieg does something out of SCH. Its not hit-confirmable and the B is launch-punishable, so that is definitely not the end-all-be-all vs 3.
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Man I'd really like to play at those tournaments I know I'd get rocked but still that EVO tourny thing man I'd love to go and watch but anyways against ivy i get rocked I mean her range is unbelievable and everytime i get close she pushes me back somehow or goes for a low and i get stuck because I get the "feeling" and i know im gonna have to be on block because she has the frame advantage :'( Ivy I hate u is 1k sieg's fastest attack?
Can someone tell me sieg's fastest attack whether its High mid or low
 
OffbeatNinja said:
Asta is one of siegs best matchups. Sieg can whore out 3B all day and asta cant really do anything about it. You can bait him into doing that 2in1 punish. Just hold block after you do 3b and punish his punish since its only a 2in1 on CH and is minus 17+ so you can punish it with 3B haha. If he tries to knee you, use your knee after 3b. VS asta 3b is like all i do.
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Asta is a bad matchup for Siegfried... is real that you can whore 3B all day, but not without get punished; An expert Asta can do 6AB and punish 3 very well and if you try to do SCH K after 3 then you will eat 6AB on CH so the result combo will be CH 6AB~2A+K for a 60dmg easy damage... in other hand if you block after 3B Asta can only do 6A to punish, cause if they do 6AB they will be unsafe for another 3B, this time for punish. Asta can retreat a lot, and put pressure in the way with 44A and 44B; 44A can be charged so its not easy for GI (and very dangerous move if connect charge on CH); 44B can be charged as well to the point of UB and is cancelable so Asta can make a good Siegfried forget about his range game... when close is hard too, cause a good Asta can whore 6K and 66K against Siegf... ask DTN about his Asta problems so you can have an real idea.

-Stryker-
 
Which means it ends up being a mix-up with similar risk-reward for both sides. But 3 remains a huge thorn in Astas side as it beats a lot of his options, deals good damage and has high setup value.
While Astas spacing game is something that Sieg has to get through before applying his own tools first at certain ranges, its definitely not that great and has too many holes to contain a character with so many ranged moves of his own. 44A is punishable by Sieg. 44B easily stepable (on reaction, even he charges it for just a bit), tho the cancel does give Asta some interesting options.
I stand by my statements from earlier posts. Sieg has always handled Asta well. In SC3 he just couldnt keep up with the dmg potential of the golem and blocktraps were a huge pain in the ass. Now that he has better tools for containment himself and the dmg gap has been decreased significantly I honestly believe that Sieg has the edge here, even if just by a small margin.
 
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