SS & CS/iCS Info

Well i've had the name for some time. not sure y i picked it, but people seem to get a kick out of it. so it stuck. lol.
 
Aw, man, I used to pull CS & SS throws in the 360 DPAD, but now that I am using a stick I can't seem to do them at all. Why is it do difficult?!?
 
Check ur 236 and 214 commands to test if ur diagonals register. The biggest culprit to command throw buffers are usually the diagonals. For me sometimes I could even miss 6 if I do it too fast.
 
Ok so i've been thinking... have any of ya'll used the iCS shuffle as a fake out. Tried it on a friend, his instinct told him to duck and i got a free sw 3b in. It worked for a while, and after he stopped ducking a started actually doing the throw. Just something i noticed and wondered if any one else had tried this yet.
 
Because my TE stick is so loud from my ultra quick buffers it's been a double edge sword of audibly telegraphing iCS so occasionally i do a messy iCS-like input and then 3B. It usually works but I gotta be sparing. I can't do the shuffle to fake since...well I don't ever shuffle...ever. Worse case they block it and you did good safe SG damage and maybe scared them for the future.

As for stick input learn with these:

32147391:A+G - "Figure 8 method" - Roll past 4 to 7 and then snap the corners. Major issue is people get suck in 1 and never make it to 4 so this can help. I suggest using this as a learning tool though. After a month of this you should be able to have the positioning down and attempt a perfect 3214391:A+G.

34391:A+G - "Snap method" - Going 3 to 4 in a linear motion should cause 21 to get tripped on the way. Basically you're not riding the gate at all you're just snapping to each extreme. This is good for lightning fast input, but can be a bit inaccurate.

Try those 2.
 
I actually still use a controller... And its not that i can't do iCS without out the shuffle. I would just not buffer it in any way and slow the input down too cause her little dance moves. Wanted to telegraph that i was about to do the throw but than get free hits in. There are much better options than sw 3b but it was all that came to mind in the moment.

P.S. Whats a good arcade stick to get??
 
I stand by me TE stick as fuckin amazing, especially for Ivy throws. Takes some getting use to but the stick is insanely awesome...fuck the SE tho, hate that thing. You can get nobuffer twitchless iCS's with a stick, on pad you gotta fight for that or always be in buffers.

I personally like the 3B option best. It wont mess up if it comes out 33B, it's VERY safe, breaks in 10, forces crouch, quicker than throw, leads to combo on CH, leads to stun on hit. ONLY bad thing about it is range difference from iCS and it's steppable...but they're not likely to try and step if they expect iCS.
 
3B is slower than throws (it's i18) Personally I like SW 3A, because on hit it gives a stun (shakable, though every stun means you are at massive advantage and opponent will have to shake the stun first before he can react to any other move. It's more likely to land a low or throw after that)
 
neoghaleon said:
here's the guard recovery iCS I've been talking about!


I want full credit for this discovery
xD
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This vid has been taken off. Did neoghaleon make a backup? Anyhow, I have trouble reproducing this as I still couldnt find timing when to tap G or release. especially if Neo uses pad and I use stick its gonna be different in method. Thats the first bit.

And btw...I have been trying to do twitchless sidestep CS. I have success but only on 2p side and to her right side.

I couldnt get twitchless on 1P, and I when I tap step left it feels different compared to step right in terms of timing which is where I suspect its got to do with differences in step duration. As some of you would know all chars have assymetric sidestep properties. Meaning one sidestep is different to its opposite direction in terms of size of step, speed etc.

What Im saying is i think Ivy's right step is more lenient in the buffer twitch. (Her right step is big enough to allow buffer without twitch.) This is how I feel if it has got nothing to do with my pathetic 1p buffer. Ofcos this right step buffer has to be done on 2p side as the 852 motion allows the buffer to flow. I hope ppl know what I mean. How else to ppl get sidestep CS?

edit: gah its too hard to reproduce anyway. >_<
 
I have a doubt, it does little I have begun with arcade stick, and the unique problem that I have is to do the iCS, I do not achieve that I leave almost ever, any council?
 
It's all about pressing (321439)1+A+G at the same time. It takes a lot of practice, I think it took me like 1 year of playing before I could do iCS most of the time, but then again, I never really focused much on the command throws.
 
With the pad I do not have any problem but with stick it me is very difficult, in the right they go out for me almost always but in the left side I do not obtain it, I will have to continue trying U_U
 
I really hope this is just an 360 controller quirk since I haven't played SCIV on any other setup, but I cannot for the life of me get the 3214391 motion except when done on the opposite side. Essentially that means I'm only capable of doing SS from the 1P side, and only CS from the 2P side. Of course when those conditions are right I can at least get the throws to come out 95% of the time.
 
Sticks are easier than controllers (that includes the Xbox) for pulling of iCS. The trick is getting used to the square gate which may take some time. You'll be tempted to use an octagonal, but trust me it's worth it to get square down. The beauty is you can lock the corners real well so when doing iCS it is often good to learn how to overshoot parts of the sequence till you can naturally stop and turn at 2, 4, 6, 8. When learning do:

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It'll take some getting used to for when to float and when to grind the gate, but this motion will ensure you get it. It's a bit sloppy and more spaztic than doing it normal, but it will help give you a base to learn from and get better. Don't give up on stick, for Ivy I highly suggest learning it.
 
^ I play on pad, but use the analog to iCS. It's actually consistent, so I guess it's a matter of prefrence rather than "this works, that doesn't".
 
I don't have much experience with doing CS on dpad but I think it's close to impossible to be very consistent with the JF grab on it... I don't know any player that can do iCS with 90%+ on d-pad. I dunno about X360 pad but Noface said it's much easier to do CTs on it than on PS3 pad. Arcade stick is better for command throws but imo pad is better for Ivy in general, there are things you cannot do with Ivy on stick unless you bind buttons (which many of pro-arcadestick players don't do). I'd suggest to avoid d-pad though.
 
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