Stop making match-up charts!

WARUI_NE said:
algol vs amy isnt that bad considering he has 623B which negates 50/50s and can be done while waking up
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Yeah, it technically negates 50/50s because it adds more variables to Amy's mixups. But really what you end up with is a worse Asura in terms of risk/reward. I'm sure somebody like Thugish Pond would be more than happy to play guessing games with that move.
 
Nofacekill3r said:
Yeah, it technically negates 50/50s because it adds more variables to Amy's mixups. But really what you end up with is a worse Asura in terms of risk/reward. I'm sure somebody like Thugish Pond would be more than happy to play guessing games with that move.
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yeah I agree its kinda risky but the threat of it on wake up at least makes amy think instead of just doing 50/50s all day
 
Bubbles.
Although you have pretty good 623B timing...stop talking theory, just backstep the bitch, and never spam bubbles especially easy to telegraph one's which can get auto gi.ed. That bitch vs algol should be around 5:5. Algol on the ground is just like everyone else, but in Algol's face it's not the exactly the same, he can backdash out of 2B+K, and he can just block whatever mid once quickly out of range. As long she has to has to chase you, you have advantage over her, cuz eventually she will whiff something.
 
Backstep on wake-up? Wouldn't be much of an oki situation if that were possible...

Nofacekill3r said:
Yeah, it technically negates 50/50s because it adds more variables to Amy's mixups. But really what you end up with is a worse Asura in terms of risk/reward. I'm sure somebody like Thugish Pond would be more than happy to play guessing games with that move.
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Asura doesn't beat lows thrown at the advantage given by a good wake-up situation, it's more of a standing anti-50/50 option. I'm not saying SRK is gonna balance the match vs Amy or anything, but it's use as a reversal is of a different nature than asura's, and a comparison between the two shouldn't be used as the theoretical test of its usefulness.
 
Suirad said:
Backstep on wake-up? Wouldn't be much of an oki situation if that were possible...



Asura doesn't beat lows thrown at the advantage given by a good wake-up situation, it's more of a standing anti-50/50 option. I'm not saying SRK is gonna balance the match vs Amy or anything, but it's use as a reversal is of a different nature than asura's, and a comparison between the two shouldn't be used as the theoretical test of its usefulness.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Amy's 236KK give too much ground advantage for Algol to aGI her wakeup with SRK? I realize this isn't the only wakeup situation she has, and it can be JU'd, yadayada, but really there are other, safer ways to deal with her other wakeups.

Also, while yes, it does do some stuff that asura can't do, it's still the same concept/mindgame, and my point still stands that the risk/reward is worse than Asura's, and especially JF Asura.

Can somebody do the math on this move with a matrix or something and figure out if adding another variable to Amy's ground mixup outweighs the risk of getting punished and put back into the same ground mixup? I'm too lazy but I just don't think it works out in favor of using SRK.
 
I thought about mentioning that move when talking about this matchup, but I knew this discussion would happen if I did....nice tool to have, but it's to be used sparringly. Actually, use the hell out of it first round to put it in the Amy player's mind that you're willing to do it, then you're somewhat open for attacking at disadvantage in following rounds. Theory fighting...
 
im just gonna say, SRK isnt enough to make it in algols favor but it allows algol to at least contend with amys oki better then most.

as for B+K vs bubbles- if they are already out GIing them does almost nothing

algol has menacing enough highs to to make amy think twice about throwing out a B+K aGI, or at least have to guess with A+B

algol cant really step amys mix ups but he has back dash which almost makes up for it not quite tho
 
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