The NEW Two and a Half Men (previous or current fans only)

MorsCodeStutter

MorsCodeStutter

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I wanted to know what the consensus was for 8wayrun about the new Two and a Half Men season starring Ashton Kutcher. Even people who don't really keep up with E-gossip, most of you would have some basic understanding of the controversy caused by Charlie Sheen's departure from the show. There's been a lot of nostalgic debate about how Ashton Kutcher has ruined the show and that it's really nothing anymore without the Charlie Harper character to which it was built around.

I personally think that the show is still as good as it was even without its true leading man. The writers put a lot of effort in keeping it alive and are doing a ballsy thing continuing it rather than giving it up just because of a minor set back. The Charlie Harper age was about a mysoginist and his immoral lifestyle, while the new Walden Schmidt age is about some hopeless romantic dork who just so happens to be a billionaire and a super hottie who still can't land true love--and so the show has definitely changed drastically, but why resist change? Can one version be objectively better than the other without having to consider too much into the fact that Charlie Harper seasons in quantity outweigh the Walden Schmidt's singular season as well as familiarity?

What are your thoughts?

Also, for those who never even liked the show to begin with...yeah don't bother. This thread ain't for you. This thread are for those who used to like it until Charlie Sheen left AND obviously for the people who have continued watching it ever since.
 
I like both, at first i thought it's probably going to suck because i'm actually not a huge fan of kutcher, and i thought replacing charlie would be awkward.
But i'm positively surprised how well he fits in and how they deal with charlies departure.
They could show Berta more often though, she's brilliant :D
 
Berta is my dream woman. Strong women like that are fuckin hawt!!

I to was not happy at first with kutcher. The only thing i liked him in was "That 70's show". Other than that i cant stand the guy (get away from my Demi u jackwagon!"

But i gotta say the show is not impossible to watch. It still has that og feel to it with some new flavor. There is still no shortage of hot chicks. I prefer the older shows. But these new ones are not bad.
 
I have never liked the show much because it's 90% awkwardly delivered sex jokes. That said I saw the first new episode where in he dissed The Zune, which I think Jaxel will back me up here, was the far superior product and service. So I see no reason to commence watching in the future unless the show suddenly got clever writers. And isn't the kid like a full grown man now? Is it still only half because he's only there half the time?

To tell the truth though how much has the show changed? I never liked Sheen's character, I found him impossible to like. Would I like the show now?
 
Ghengis_John said:
I have never liked the show much because it's 90% awkwardly delivered sex jokes. That said I saw the first new episode where in he dissed The Zune, which I think Jaxel will back me up here, was the far superior product and service. So I see no reason to commence watching in the future unless the show suddenly got clever writers. And isn't the kid like a full grown man now? Is it still only half because he's only there half the time?

To tell the truth though how much has the show changed? I never liked Sheen's character, I found him impossible to like. Would I like the show now?
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It's called Two and a Half Men not because of the youngster, but because Alan if half a man who fails to learn how to main up from two other full men. His own son and Charlie/Walden now.

Sheen's character was a jingle writer, boozehound mysoginist whos character only seems redeemable because he believes in himself to be alright.

Asthon's character is an internet billionaire who is a generous manboy who unfortunately can't hold a relationship together either (prevailing theme of the show itself I guess). I haven't watched enough of his season to really know him more, but he seems to be like a lead character reversal that somehow fits with the natural progression of the show.
 
They should have ended the show. They kept it going for two reasons.

1. To get back at Charlie. To not let Charlie win.
2. To keep making money.

They did it for the wrong reasons. They're not doing it for the fans.
 
IAdoreBunnies said:
They should have ended the show. They kept it going for two reasons.

1. To get back at Charlie. To not let Charlie win.
2. To keep making money.

They did it for the wrong reasons. They're not doing it for the fans.
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wow what a cynical view. what makes you think they want to get back at Charlie? the way they referred to him in the beginning episodes was pretty genuine enough homage to the character of Charlie Harper and logical step on how Alan would cope with it.
 
MorsCodeStutter said:
wow what a cynical view. what makes you think they want to get back at Charlie? the way they referred to him in the beginning episodes was pretty genuine enough homage to the character of Charlie Harper and logical step on how Alan would cope with it.
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Are you familiar with iCarly? Can you imagine them replacing Carly and continuing the show? But yea, we already knew that they had a dislike for Charlie after his comments that started all of this. Then he went on to say even more that enraged more people from the television company. Don't be fooled by fake politics. But hey, I'll leave it at that. I saw the post and thought I would put my two cents in. That's my firm opinion.
 
IAdoreBunnies said:
Are you familiar with iCarly? Can you imagine them replacing Carly and continuing the show? But yea, we already knew that they had a dislike for Charlie after his comments that started all of this. Then he went on to say even more that enraged more people from the television company. Don't be fooled by fake politics. But hey, I'll leave it at that. I saw the post and thought I would put my two cents in. That's my firm opinion.
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I can't stand iCarly, but I see what you mean. The show WAS written around his bad boy persona, but the world Charlie once inhabited has taken on a life of its own with this new brand of Two and a Half Men, delivering much more of those awkward sex jokes. *sigh* All politics are fake, and I could really care less now about what truly happened. There are many sides to the story like Charlie Sheen's declining interest in the show, not to mention his personal life falling apart before the whole thing errupted into a bigger problem. I'm highly familiar with his side of the story because of his interview with Piers Morgan, and as curious as I am about Chuck Lorre's, it's kind of a waste of time to look further into it. Know why?

BECAUSE I AM THANKFUL THE WHOLE FIASCO HAPPENED!!! If it hadn't, Charlie Sheen would have never started the new show Anger Management, which is a much better use of his talents than ever. I was only trying to savour the forced revival of Two and a Half Men, and as much as I respect the writers for trying to continue on without who they initially based the show around, Anger Management just offers so much more depth and hilarity that doesn't ALL have to do with sexuality. Anyone who misses Charlie Sheen so much, just watch Anger Management!
 
I like how sheen continues to look more wild eyed, insane and burnt out as time passes but he continues to find highly successful work. Anyone else carrying on like he has all these years would probably be in prison or destitute. The hilarity is that the guy is like a cartoon character, inexplicably indestructible. Meanwhile straight laced Emillio Estevez is forgotten by the public. Poor guy, thats gotta suck. I mean that makes me laugh and feel sorry for a person I don't even know all at the same time.
 
Wow he pulled a Robert Pattison and hates the shit he is a part of making. But man...did it really have to be the BIBLE that turned him around?
 
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