Theory Calibur/Go to DEV/Like This Post Thread

RobDom88 said:
LMAO @ that vid Krayzie.

Sheherazade: "HOOYAAAAAAAAAH .... HOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAH... HOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH... UH YEAH... HUYEAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!"
Ivy: "AAA AH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"
Sheherazade: "HA HU HA HU HA HU HA!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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LOL I'm sure that's everyone's favorite part of the vid. I turn it off after he blocks the last HOOOYAAAAAAAH!
 
Hmmm phoenix and October you say? Well I think I can make that . And I only ask Xeph to come to Evo cause his ass is in Reno.

And dully I dont really need to validate my skill with you...

I would also like to point out Robdom's avatar is totally rockin Ivy butthole. Have some class with your avatar sir...
 
Dullyanna said:
He's got more important things to do than take three minutes and look up the location and date of an upcoming major (Which also happens to be the only one with SC4).
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Crazy off-topic and old but: CEO 2011 in FL will be holding a main tourney for SC4 and are streaming as well. RTD confirmed, too. Had to put that out there, being in charge of the brackets, and all.

As you were.
 
I've stumbed upon another differentiator between a good player and a scrub:

Only scrubs care about recognition as a good player LONG after the competitive peak of the game has come and gone, and thus they never really have to back up their claims.

-Idle
 
idle i have to disagree. in most cases, the best at the moment is the best, period, imo. sure the numbers may have dwindled but those still playing are only getting better and better and better.

sure, this will wane off after time as people forget how to play, but that takes years. i do not feel as if we are even close to that point with SC4 yet.
 
KrayzieCD said:
Well since we are talking about SC4 and there will be no SC4 main tourney at Evo don't you think it makes sense that Xeph ain't goin there? He is going to Dev though, Dev IS having an SC4 tourney and it's not very far from you. You do all this talk about playing offline and upping your game, what good is it for if you never travel anywhere outside Las Vegas and prove it? Going to Dev should be a good step for you, it's not too far for you to travel and you can finally prove Dullyanna and everyone else wrong about your supposed jump in skill right? Because seriously when I hear your name, all I can picture is this:
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I'd love to go outside vegas but I've had this whole thing of college and then a salary job that doesn't give vacations till im in it for a year...Can't exactly hop in a car with 5 guys living off ramen and shoot around the country off my parents cash.
 
I must respectfully disagree lobo.

Now, I'm not saying not to go to tournaments or step up your game or prove yourself or anything; please, by all means everyone should keep doing that.

What I am saying is think of the community like a lake. In the wet season (the competitive peak) the lake is filled to the brim with water, and the strongest fish are forced to fight each other for dominance, in turn making them adapt and change, and the fish below them must also adapt and change to keep up.

As the water dries up (the competitive peak ends), it creates smaller pools where fish form their own hierarchies. Suddenly, the top fish either die (leave the scene) or are isolated (continue to play, but only locally or occasionally) Sure, every now and then it rains, bringing the water level up to the point where the big fish can fight amongst one another again (a rare major), but there are less of them, and they have been all beating on the weaker fish and losing their edge.

I think it would be a mistake to conclude that SC4 is ST, or 3s in terms of how the community grows and develops past its prime. There just aren't enough of us. I solidly believe the best players from the 2009 into early 2010 tournament year are the best players overall by a wide margin, and most of them are long gone now.

Your view might be different, but that is my take. Each game has a "golden period" where the scene is at it's best, and I just think we are long past that.

-Idle
 
Its not like anybody cares what random people think in random threads. This discussion will never mean anything.
So far there are only two legimate ways of proving yourself to the community
1) Place high in OFFLINE tournaments
2) Get proped by the guys who succed in 1) (either in videos or by moneymatching them)

There is just NO WAY you can talk this out. Snap out of it. Go discuss boobs or something.
 
IdleMind said:
I must respectfully disagree lobo.

Now, I'm not saying not to go to tournaments or step up your game or prove yourself or anything; please, by all means everyone should keep doing that.

What I am saying is think of the community like a lake. In the wet season (the competitive peak) the lake is filled to the brim with water, and the strongest fish are forced to fight each other for dominance, in turn making them adapt and change, and the fish below them must also adapt and change to keep up.

As the water dries up (the competitive peak ends), it creates smaller pools where fish form their own hierarchies. Suddenly, the top fish either die (leave the scene) or are isolated (continue to play, but only locally or occasionally) Sure, every now and then it rains, bringing the water level up to the point where the big fish can fight amongst one another again (a rare major), but there are less of them, and they have been all beating on the weaker fish and losing their edge.

I think it would be a mistake to conclude that SC4 is ST, or 3s in terms of how the community grows and develops past its prime. There just aren't enough of us. I solidly believe the best players from the 2009 into early 2010 tournament year are the best players overall by a wide margin, and most of them are long gone now.

Your view might be different, but that is my take. Each game has a "golden period" where the scene is at it's best, and I just think we are long past that.

-Idle
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Id rather discuss this somewhere else, but you are absolutely right, seconding my thoughts on communities. Observation shows, that player potential manifests in the first half-a-year of his competetive gaming. During this time forms amount of time and hard work he dedicates to game. From this point on, there can be no shift in the hierarchy, unless "top fish" leave the scene. People dont change in time, new player can get in and achieve something, but regulars only move up if higher places get vacant.
 
What Belial said.

However I think we are discussing the Sirlin concept of "scrub" as mentioned earlier, it's not about skill. It's mentality. A scrub simply has a mindset that is limiting to their success in the game by being ignorant to the technical aspects of the game. You can be decent and a scrub and be terrible and not a scrub. I'd never say good and a scrub...because a scrub never gets to a respectable level of "good". semantics
 
i liked it better when we were posting pictures about canada.

belial, stop reading this thread and posting in it. you should be in practice mode, scrub.

:P
 
IdleMind said:
I must respectfully disagree lobo.

Now, I'm not saying not to go to tournaments or step up your game or prove yourself or anything; please, by all means everyone should keep doing that.

What I am saying is think of the community like a lake. In the wet season (the competitive peak) the lake is filled to the brim with water, and the strongest fish are forced to fight each other for dominance, in turn making them adapt and change, and the fish below them must also adapt and change to keep up.

As the water dries up (the competitive peak ends), it creates smaller pools where fish form their own hierarchies. Suddenly, the top fish either die (leave the scene) or are isolated (continue to play, but only locally or occasionally) Sure, every now and then it rains, bringing the water level up to the point where the big fish can fight amongst one another again (a rare major), but there are less of them, and they have been all beating on the weaker fish and losing their edge.

I think it would be a mistake to conclude that SC4 is ST, or 3s in terms of how the community grows and develops past its prime. There just aren't enough of us. I solidly believe the best players from the 2009 into early 2010 tournament year are the best players overall by a wide margin, and most of them are long gone now.

Your view might be different, but that is my take. Each game has a "golden period" where the scene is at it's best, and I just think we are long past that.

-Idle
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my take on it is that, while surely the learning curve was moving far faster in the beginning, the collective knowledge and experience still makes the current players more skilled overall.

it comes back to the old, "could kobe beat larry bird?" argument. we can talk about the greats all day long, but the reality of it is that the metagame has evolved as have talent pools, and that kobe would absolutely trounce the hell out of mr. bird. i really think that as time passes, the competition may become less saturated, but those who remain only get better and better and better.

that said, our best players from the game's "golden age" in the USA, guys like RTD, ramon, thuggish, KCD, dreamkiller, woahhzz...well the majority of our best guys never did stop competing at all, nor did they fall off in any way. if they had and we relied on a new group of up and comers as our top guys, i would have to agree with you. as of now i'm remaining optimistic that we have a long way to go before we hit that rut.
 
IdleMind said:
I must respectfully disagree lobo.

Now, I'm not saying not to go to tournaments or step up your game or prove yourself or anything; please, by all means everyone should keep doing that.

What I am saying is think of the community like a lake. In the wet season (the competitive peak) the lake is filled to the brim with water, and the strongest fish are forced to fight each other for dominance, in turn making them adapt and change, and the fish below them must also adapt and change to keep up.

As the water dries up (the competitive peak ends), it creates smaller pools where fish form their own hierarchies. Suddenly, the top fish either die (leave the scene) or are isolated (continue to play, but only locally or occasionally) Sure, every now and then it rains, bringing the water level up to the point where the big fish can fight amongst one another again (a rare major), but there are less of them, and they have been all beating on the weaker fish and losing their edge.

I think it would be a mistake to conclude that SC4 is ST, or 3s in terms of how the community grows and develops past its prime. There just aren't enough of us. I solidly believe the best players from the 2009 into early 2010 tournament year are the best players overall by a wide margin, and most of them are long gone now.

Your view might be different, but that is my take. Each game has a "golden period" where the scene is at it's best, and I just think we are long past that.

-Idle
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Bullshit.

You say the peak is over but then you say "oh but please keep the scene alive anyway". What kind of mixed message is this?

My biggest problem with this attitude is that it totally ignores what kind of people were playing it in the first place. Yes, a scene tends to have less numbers after a year or two. But think about who those guys quitting really are.

Why should we care if they were great as players, when all they cared about was the hype to begin with? IMO, that just shows they didn't actually love the game/competition for what it is if they just quit a year later and move on. Let them be. The real passionate players stay as long as possible. Whether or not they are the best players to have ever existed is very much irrelevent to the longevity of what matters here. (The community is a constantly unfolding story, and it's only over until everybody stops caring.) In short, making an effort to keep the scene challenging/interesting is what matters most! You can't really do that by disrespecting people. Challenging is one thing, but disrespect is a just big fuck you to everyone contributing.
 
Belial and Idle I agree to a certain extent. The initial hype for the game draws in a lot of people and there were excellent players in 2009-2010. And yes the quantity of players’ drops as time goes by, but that doesn't mean that the quality will suddenly vanish too.

As long as there is a desire and willingness to improve and be the best the competition will improve.

Also believing in some sort of cast system where person A is the best simply because their person A. And person B can never catch up to them is foolish. This is not survival of the fittest, or about someone’s social status, it a game.
 
People are still discovering new stuff and while there's a lacking community to test your skills against and possibly missed opportunities to learn from someone, we have more knowledge, which changes the game. Also with time it gives you more to append. Taking the time to learn other characters, all the punishes, etc... takes a VERY long time. The progress is just slower, but I've seen people still get better. It's just weird for our scene because it's not near as popular like Marvel or SF where you hear of up and comers all the time.

Also let's be honest...our community doesn't educate near as well as other games. We strangely argue that we don't want frame data handed to us, our guide was hot shit, lack of in game explanations and tutorials, our interaction with new players (not to say other fighting game communities are full of assholes with keyboards...but we're not exempt), not near as many video tutorials, etc...

If you want better people, simply educate them. The constant dick wars is why we don't see ranks shift around. Very few people take the time to help the community actually grow because they're too busy harassing others with their superiority complex.

The problem is our current community and the game's popularity in it's age have not made it viable for people to grow that aren't determined already.
 
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