Tira Matchups

Tirasoul

[08] Mercenary
Nightmare - 4:6

i totally disagree with that.NM's movement,range,damage and RO game gives Tira hard time.
the correct must be 6:4 or 7:3.
the most usefull think against NM that Tira has is her 6K especially against his 1[A].this move when a character is down can be a pain in the ass.luckily Tira has 6K in Gloomy and Jolly to answer to that.but if Tira is faced down with legs to opponent has problems even with this move.
Generally NM's movement is the answer to many of Tira's moves unfortunatly.
 

Tirasoul

[08] Mercenary
I would like to speak out now and say Asta against Tira is brutal. 4A and A completely space out Tira.

agreed.Tira generally have a bad time against long ranged characters.especially with those that cost a lot of damage.
if you add Bull rush in your list then we have a devastating match up for Tira.
 

arnboku

[09] Warrior
Found out that 44K beats Mitsurugi's 66BB.

If he only does the first B it will be punished. If he does the second Tira will receive minor damage but no KD and she gets huge frame advantage. (4A:A is a freebie)
 

InsaneKhent

[12] Conqueror
Found out that 44K beats Mitsurugi's 66BB.

If he only does the first B it will be punished. If he does the second Tira will receive minor damage but no KD and she gets huge frame advantage. (4A:A is a freebie)

Nice. I recently posted a video in which Seong Mi-na gets a similar outcome.


I figure that every cast member has something that works against it. I think it just needs to be i16 at the most, and then if Mitsu finishes the character gets like 23 frames advantage to punish. I think it's just a matter of finding the character's particular move that alters their hitbox in such a way that Mitsu only does 7 damage and doesn't knock them down. I was talking to Mikosu about it and he said 2B was the move of choice for Tira until he found something else, and evidently 44K is it. Does it matter what mood Tira is in for 44K to work?

HI MIKOSU!!!!!
 

arnboku

[09] Warrior
Tira vs.
  • Algol - 4:6
  • Amy - 4:6
  • Astaroth – 4:6
  • Cassandra – 4:6
  • Cervantes – 5:5
  • Hilde - 3:7
  • Ivy - 4:6
  • Kilik - 4:6
  • Lizardman – 4:6
  • Maxi - 5:5
  • Mitsurugi - 4:6
  • Nightmare - 5:5
  • Raphael - 4:6
  • Rock - 5:5
  • Seong Mi-Na - 5:5
  • Setsuka – 4:6
  • Siegfried - 5:5
  • Sophitia – 4:6
  • Taki – 5:5
  • Talim – 5:5
  • Voldo – 4:6
  • Xianghua – 5:5
  • Yoshimitsu – 4:6
  • Yun-Seong – 5:5
  • Zasalamel – 5:5

Imo the only matchup that is debatably a 3:7 for Tira besides Hilde is the Astaroth one but I haven't played this particular matchup often.
 

babalook

[10] Knight
people need to stop putting cervantes as 5:5 because they dont understand the matchup there's no way this is a even matchup tira is horrible.
 

arnboku

[09] Warrior
Cerv has nothing that puts Tira into a disadvantage that would make this matchup worse than 5:5. He is not a good spacer at all which is Tira's biggest problem + Tira can punish a lot of his stuff with 44K.
 

babalook

[10] Knight
not really 44K doesnt punish 2A+B or 1K it only punishes 3B and as long as he steps to her right he can punish alot of her shit and id say the clear advantage he has over her is being a better character in general. 5:5 would have to imply that she has a edge on him to the point of making it a even matchup.
 

mikosu

Goderator of pink hearts
babalook's opinion of Tira aside I do think the Cervy matchup is 4:6 ONLY because of possible punishment. Being the better character does not make the matchup. People need to realize this and stop trying to make their character look good out of pride. Off the top of my head I don't see Tira having an edge over anyone but MAYBE Talim and definitely Yoda. Tira's not horrible but she is low tier. I'll take a better look at your chart in a bit arnie.
 

Ring

Lay still now
Imo Tira VS Ivy is between 4:6 - 3:7. The only advantage here for Tira is updraft which allows her to avoid WP 6B+K2_8 spam. Spaced she can't do much. Forcing her way in with GS BF 66K or updraft is also very risky. And last but not least, she doesn't have the ability to punish Ivy's lows, not only those which end in tech crouch but also the ones with pushback. 2K and GS 2A is pretty much what she can get and only at close range. 6K is her fastest mid accessable from FC, right?
 

babalook

[10] Knight
babalook's opinion of Tira aside I do think the Cervy matchup is 4:6 ONLY because of possible punishment. Being the better character does not make the matchup. People need to realize this and stop trying to make their character look good out of pride. Off the top of my head I don't see Tira having an edge over anyone but MAYBE Talim and definitely Yoda. Tira's not horrible but she is low tier. I'll take a better look at your chart in a bit arnie.

Im not trying to make my character look good i know were he stands but i know this matchup probably better then most and there's nothing that could make this a 5:5 unless the cervy is playing dumb. Plus he can step punish her very well(and easily) considering she has pretty much no scary step catchers.
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Imo Tira VS Ivy is between 4:6 - 3:7. The only advantage here for Tira is updraft which allows her to avoid WP 6B+K2_8 spam. Spaced she can't do much. Forcing her way in with GS BF 66K or updraft is also very risky. And last but not least, she doesn't have the ability to punish Ivy's lows, not only those which end in tech crouch but also the ones with pushback. 2K and GS 2A is pretty much what she can get and only at close range. 6K is her fastest mid accessable from FC, right?

BF 66B is i15 that could probably punish well.
edit or not the frame data says it's i19 but i remeber it being i15 there for awhile.
 

mikosu

Goderator of pink hearts
Imo Tira VS Ivy is between 4:6 - 3:7. The only advantage here for Tira is updraft which allows her to avoid WP 6B+K2_8 spam. Spaced she can't do much. Forcing her way in with GS BF 66K or updraft is also very risky. And last but not least, she doesn't have the ability to punish Ivy's lows, not only those which end in tech crouch but also the ones with pushback. 2K and GS 2A is pretty much what she can get and only at close range. 6K is her fastest mid accessable from FC, right?

Pretty much Ring. We agreed on 4:6 Tira way back. VS WP Ivy it's like 3:7. CL and SW feel like 4:6 off the top of my head so I just stuck with that.

Im not trying to make my character look good i know were he stands but i know this matchup probably better then most and there's nothing that could make this a 5:5 unless the cervy is playing dumb. Plus he can step punish her very well(and easily) considering she has pretty much no scary step catchers.


BF 66B is i15 that could probably punish well.
edit or not the frame data says it's i19 but i remeber it being i15 there for awhile.

What you consider scary is relative but she has JS 66AA (37), GS 22A (55), 4A:A (can be stepped to a side; JS 82, GS 75), A+B (it's weaksauce in this game but 25 dmg), GS 6A MSH A (45) to name some. BF 66B is not i15. That would be amazing!
 

babalook

[10] Knight
ya but those moves dont catch step gaurd or people that can see them 66AA is heavily punishable 22A is i21 so that probably wont catch anything unless its interupting somthing and A+B is aB punishable and kinda easy to see and the the only good one i guess would be GS 6A mash wich can be duck punished for 66+ dmg. Id say its a 4:6 atleast.
 

ImmortalxDragon

[09] Warrior
OK as long as I have played babalook Tira vs Cervy i can honestly say that Cervy has the advantage 4 to 6. My reasons are that she really cant punish anything cervy has except for 3b and 1k as baba said. She is really easy to step and whiff punishes with cervy HURT. All of her step catchers have some kind of flaw if they are step guarded. 6Aaaaaaa and A+B being her fastest step catchers are both punishable by cervy but 6A in jolly is the same speed as A+B. They are both i16 but 6A is a high and thats a flaw to that possible step catcher. So there is my opinion on this matter. Any down sides or disagreements as to what I posted.
 

arnboku

[09] Warrior
Up close Tira still has AA and throws for antistep. So you don't have to rely on punishable moves if you don't want to. (I actually use JS 2A,B as step killer, works surprisingly great). And with GS 22A steppers (who are not IVY) are in trouble.

+ Tira can whiffpunish for 90+ in GS and 40+ in JS (moodchange not considered) so I don't think step punish is a category alone in Cervs favor.

6K is her fastest mid accessable from FC, right?
Together with FC 2B yes. Both are i16.

EDIT: btw the frenchies are crazy :D they've listed so many matchups in Tira's favor that it appears ridiculous Oo