Matchups subthread

sorry, i just have to say that, Nukleurfire, your signature always makes me laugh out loud! goddamn, it´s hilarious!


there. carry on!
 
Another Matchup Chart Attempt

Maxi 66B4 is better against Kilik wsB, 66B+K is harder to land and puts you at alot of disadvantage. this setup for this thread makes no sense, cause you can't dispute anything...but i wouldn't disagree with the 3:7 part. that's the only post i read tho.
 
Another Matchup Chart Attempt

I don't get it sword lord. Mikosu asked everyone to post in an already defined format, what is so hard about following it? It DOES make sense and it DOES allow for dispute. If you want to dispute someone's matchup analysis WRITE YOUR OWN. You're just walking into a thread full of intelligent cohesive posts and shitting all over everything with your usual vague, incomplete, and unobjective opinions. Follow the format or your posts get moved here or deleted and I will not argue with you.
 
Another Matchup Chart Attempt

sWoRD_LoRD said:
Maxi 66B4 is better against Kilik wsB, 66B+K is harder to land and puts you at alot of disadvantage. this setup for this thread makes no sense, cause you can't dispute anything...but i wouldn't disagree with the 3:7 part. that's the only post i read tho.
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66B4 is a good option, but I wouldn't say its really better, especially at closer ranges. Kilik can actually hurt you pretty bad if he reads where the 66B4 ends. Kiliks 22B tracks to the same side as LI B so you can get smacked with that if you get your 66B4 blocked or whiff. 66B+K on the other hand is only -12, so Kilik doesn't get anything for free for blocking it. Of course you can get stepped for doing 66B+K, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
ok, but 66B+K is a pretty readable move, 66B4 is extremely fast and will hit Kilik out of a quick duck into wsB. success rate is a million times higher with 66B4. Kilik 22B might hit IF Maxi does a followup B on block, and if Maxi doesn't he can just punish Kilik's 22B attempt... but watch

forces Kilik to use wsB at tip range outside of 66B4 range, but then becomes easier for Maxi to step.

66B+K is mainly for slide mixup and countering people who attack off wakeup. disclaimer, vidz are old. 66B4 beats alot of stuff. it's almost as good as Cervy FCA+B,BBBB!
 
sorry sword_lord, but you're wrong. Maxi cannot block 22B if he does it fast enough. Maxi has to go though 2 stances before he can cancel to guard, so if Kilik is fast enough, all Maxi can really do is time his WL perfectly. Also, even if Maxi were to block 22B, at -17 with distance, there really isn't a whole lot Maxi can even do about it. And about it being readable, its really not that much slower than 66B, only a few frames slower. Its at the very least fast enough to slap kilik out of WS B. Anyways, its not like its so slow that its just gonna get stepped on reaction. And who cares if it gets blocked, its unpunishable by kilik and it breaks the soul guage in 8 hits. Its a very solid move.

Don't get me wrong, I love 66B4 and I use it all the time. But it does have risks, so you gotta be careful how you use it against some characters (Kilik being one of them).
 
sWoRD_LoRD said:
ok, but 66B+K is a pretty readable move, 66B4 is extremely fast and will hit Kilik out of a quick duck into wsB. success rate is a million times higher with 66B4. Kilik 22B might hit IF Maxi does a followup B on block, and if Maxi doesn't he can just punish Kilik's 22B attempt... but watch

forces Kilik to use wsB at tip range outside of 66B4 range, but then becomes easier for Maxi to step.

66B+K is mainly for slide mixup and countering people who attack off wakeup. disclaimer, vidz are old. 66B4 beats alot of stuff. it's almost as good as Cervy FCA+B,BBBB!
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well i figure that fworawang guy or whatever his name is uses the shit out of that move and he's really good.
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shadowG said:
When it comes to X vs Cervy or anyone vs Cervy these are the key points.
1. Don't be aggressive and constantly step G to the left
2. Wait for cervy to do a move. Block. Punish accordingly.

That's it. Plain and simple. And what I mean by that is all his best moves are unsafe. Examples iGDR= free backthrow, WR A -19, aB -18, 2A+B -14 (don't do any high move), BB -15, 33B -16, 3B -14, 1K -16 etc etc.

I will admit fc A+B GB is a great move but its -24 without the GB. So my reasons for putting X above Cervy is she has a better step, is far safer, more evasive, can punish him very well, and doesn't have to take as many risks as he does to get damage. So in practice AND theoretically X is better than cervy.

Character knowledge should be the main factor in deciding character matchup numbers. You should assume each person knows every single thing about the opponents character and decide the positives and negatives accordingly. I dont claim to know every single matchup with X to that extent but I do know anti cervy.
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I would just like to point out that not only is this one of the worst ways to veiw cervantes but i beleive the person i quoted here lost in the trashday tourney against a cervantes that was doing random iWR A's, lots of 3B's, and i think he got hit by about 1 iGDR a round. I just thought that was a horrible contradiction id point out.
 
I would just like to point out that Yoda>Cervantes and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah ............ I just thought I'd point that out. :)
 
Uber1337 said:
sorry sword_lord, but you're wrong. Maxi cannot block 22B if he does it fast enough. Maxi has to go though 2 stances before he can cancel to guard, so if Kilik is fast enough, all Maxi can really do is time his WL perfectly.
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ya i figured he can block it or at least auto-GI it, but you're prolly right about having to auto-GI if the 22B is done fast enough. i only questioned you out of pure boredom cause I have nothin else to do...will prolly bother someone else sometime b4 5pm rolls around.
 
babalook said:
I would just like to point out that not only is this one of the worst ways to veiw cervantes but i beleive the person i quoted here lost in the trashday tourney against a cervantes that was doing random iWR A's, lots of 3B's, and i think he got hit by about 1 iGDR a round. I just thought that was a horrible contradiction id point out.
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As contradicting as that sounds....it's still a good basic strategy. It does neutralize some of Cervantes game.
Long story short, you have to take risks with Cervy, and if you neutralize his risks. Cervy's Fight could be a long uphill battle.

Besides...i'd shit on your cervy anyday :D
 
Chickenwing said:
As contradicting as that sounds....it's still a good basic strategy. It does neutralize some of Cervantes game.
Long story short, you have to take risks with Cervy, and if you neutralize his risks. Cervy's Fight could be a long uphill battle.

Besides...i'd shit on your cervy anyday :D
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Well his risks normally aren't very risky and the little ones he does have to take normally have i high risk/reward in his favor against the majority of the cast. And i already know you would pile the shit on me ;)
 
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