Hey hey slow down, man I guess people really have grudge against Ivy.
I personally like Ivy, because she took awhile for Ivy players to figure out, but once they got her core moves down, she really has become Godlike in her own way.
For me it's all those things, combined with 9B. I think before people started to realize how retarded this move was. I was like what's up with this thing, you can insert it just about anywhere, has some evasive properties, and can stun you.
And no body talks about Ivy's knockdown game, but it's there. You got the stomp, the SG damage, the hell sweep, and the command grabs.
Although you Ivy players are defending her, note that every Ivy player that is serious about her is horrifically strong.
Also for those that aren't aware Ivy has one of the best steps in the game. So if she wants to stay away from you, it's very easy for her.
She doesn't need that SG damage, that's the one thing I would definitely nerf, that way I can at least turtle against her.
Wow, ok.
One of the best steps in the game? It's stance specific, dude.
Stomp doesn't have full tracking when the opponent is grounded, and neither does stuff like SW 3B. Also, little known fact that I've only seen Thugish and Babalook abuse is that 214K doesn't really give her any wakeup advantage on grounded hit. You can get up and step, or interrupt, provided she stomps your groin and not your back.
Saying that every Ivy player that is serious about her is "horrifically strong" really doesn't mean anything for a couple of reasons:
There aren't many SC players right now to begin with, only the elite hardcore are left. If you notice back when the game was popular you would see that there were A LOT of mediocre Ivy players. So let's take a look at these "horrifically strong" Ivy players for one moment, and you will see that they are extremely dedicated. I'm also going to mention players of other characters that have a similar level of dedication and how they also just so happen to be strong players, regardless of character choice.
Malek: How many people can really say they are as dedicated as this guy? He has travelled outside of his country multiple times, donated money to Americans, and attends most of the French tournaments. Let's not forget that this guy actually contributed a lot to the way most Ivys play nowadays. What you guys might see as broken (funny part is that most people don't provide logical analysis of why X or Y move is actually broken) is actually the hard work that the Ivy community poured into a character that was once seen as somewhat lacking compared to the other top tier characters.
Woahhzz: Dude was stylin on a lot of you east coast peeps with his alts. He has strong mindgames, regardless of which character he uses. Let's not forget that his scene is actually active and that there are other strong players on an equal level with him - like Ramon and SU for example. All his success with Ivy means is that she is tournament viable just like a lot of other characters if you put in the time and effort. One thing I noticed about the complainers in this game is that it's not usually the SS tier players doing the complaining.
Scud: Proof that there is a clear distinction between Ivy players - skill level really does make the difference. All Ivy players DO NOT have the same level of success as this guy does.
Now let's look at other successful players:
Thugish Pond: Damn, it's like the players that travel a lot tend to have more success. Kinda like Malek. But hey, Malek plays Ivy so CLEARLY that's the reason why he's a strong player. As for all the Amy complainers: which other Amy player has had anywhere near the level of success that Thugish has had? Do your homework and practice. I watched a couple videos on youtube, had nobody to practice anti-Amy on (honestly I only really played online 99% of the time against Babalook and IMT Dragon) and what do you know, I got a few rounds in. Studying helps.
RTD: Same as Thugish. It's interesting how people call him out on his broke character but he still mops the floor with 99% of the community with whatever character he pleases.
Kura: Hard work and dedication. A somewhat active, hardcore level offline scene to practice with.
Omega: Hard work and dedication. A somewhat active, hardcore level offline scene to practice with.
Belial: You get the picture.
All of the players are freaking dedicated. And they all have a hardcore offline scene to play with. I'm not gonna call out specific regions, but there is a clear distinction between who is hardcore and who isn't. You'll notice that these Ivy players that I mentioned are all part of a hardcore group like I said, and with the exception of Scud, you can't really say that they are on a higher level than their acquaintances - they're actually on a pretty even level with the other people in their groups who have similar levels of dedication. That's not to make mention of the Ivy players who have not enjoyed as much success as other offline players in their region.
So is it unfair to say that maybe these Ivy players who are enjoying success are working harder than a lot of the Ivy complainers? Maybe. But with such a small community, you can actually sample pretty much every offline player and analyze them. I don't really think it's unfair.
