Can I kill you now...please?? Tira! :D SCV

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power911 said:
if tournaments are held in Malaysia~
if only you and other pro Tira users took a visit to Malaysia...
I shall continue to dream... -foreveralone.jpg-
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I personally think she is fine. Although my status as an offline tira player got called into question, I am just going to leave that alone for the good of this thread. Anyway, her ability to go into combos looks like it got simplified. Same CH properties on 2 A+B is cool. Also WR B can string/combo into WR B+K which is also cool.
 
I like the new Tira's theme, it is special, just like Tira. But I didnt think of Harry Potter (now it reminds me hogwart everytime I hear it, you kinda ruined the music to me, thank you guys :p)

About the "Tira is fine"theme I would like to say several things.

It is true that playing with a weaker character makes it much better when you win.
But I think if you want to play soulcalibur at your best and see what is your level at Soulcalibur (i hope the online and the ranking system will allow you to do so), then Tira atm cannot be the character you can play with. Every people here want to play their favorite characters and it would be sad if they coudn't be at their best just because their favorite characters are weak. That's just my opinion.

Now I'll explain why I think Tira is weak compared to the other characters.
I don't want Tira to be good at everything but I want her to be balanced between the mechanics of the game.
Let me explain.

Tira doesn't have good movement. Her step is slow, her dash is slow and her backdash is slow

Tira doest have good poking game, cause of frames and damage.

Tira can punish well in GS with BB, 6A etc.
However in JS she does less damage. As she is mostly in JS, overall she doesn't punish well.

Tira GS can whiff punish well, dealings about about 85 damage (+self damage)
JS whiff punishes about 45 damage, which is weak (+ self damage)
As she is jolly heavy, she overall doesn't whiff punish well.

Tira doest have a good wake up game, 88K guarded on reaction, and lows that deal very little damage and -x on hit

Tira has good wall combos, dealing good damage even in JS. This is one strength for Tira. However it is unreliable as it is very hard to get because of the previous weaknesses.

Tira has good techtraps too but the problem is the same, it is highly unreliable.

Tira doesn't have good tech jump and tech crouchs, they either do very little damage or unsafe (except maybe in GS but as she is more jolly heavy...)

Tira doesn't have good range, the moves with most range are very unsafe. JS 66AA is a pure joke. GS 66A not that good, 2A+B, 4B+K easily steppable etc....She cannot pressure her opponent.

Overall, Tira has only 2 good abilities which are the most unreliable ones. She is mostly weak because of her jolly side.
Solution : Buff jolly or guaranteed change

Everything's according to my opinion of course.
 
They're just observations. I don't need specific proof to be able to state my mind. If you don't agree with it, don't comment on it. No one needs a 5-page argument.
 
Violent_Vodka said:
They're just observations. I don't need specific proof to be able to state my mind. If you don't agree with it, don't comment on it. No one needs a 5-page argument.
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Im not arguing? Im only trying to understand your point. Not like I am on a soap box screaming your wrong, cause your not wrong for your opinion. I am simply trying to understand the basis of your thought. Is that so wrong?
 
Ehh. No. But I don't know how to explain it, and I'm not going to post some horrible quality video to show you, so..

Regenerating health move ideas:
-has an argument between her states. <- that would've been a funny Critical Edge scene.. if you start it in Gloomy, she'll be all "I'll cut your heart out." or something depressing then switches to Jolly "!!" all whiny.
-Jolly: has a small fit, stomping her feet, crying "stop hurting me!!" or "would you just stay still!?" <- that would also be a funny taunt.

--When their armor breaks, if it does mid-battle, I've only seen it after death, but when/if it breaks in battle, you should be forced Jolly and she could say "that's so embarrassing!" or "you pervert!!"
 
Violent_Vodka said:
Ehh. No. But I don't know how to explain it, and I'm not going to post some horrible quality video to show you, so..

Regenerating health move ideas:
-has an argument between her states. <- that would've been a funny Critical Edge scene.. if you start it in Gloomy, she'll be all "I'll cut your heart out." or something depressing then switches to Jolly "!!" all whiny.
-Jolly: has a small fit, stomping her feet, crying "stop hurting me!!" or "would you just stay still!?" <- that would also be a funny taunt.

--When their armor breaks, if it does mid-battle, I've only seen it after death, but when/if it breaks in battle, you should be forced Jolly and she could say "that's so embarrassing!" or "you pervert!!"
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Ok, there we go xD that so hard? I like those ideas. They sound like they would fit perfectly.
 
Violent_Vodka said:
Tira's CE is definitely cool, but if that's her ONLY chance to win, she's not going to be any better than in IV. You should be able to win without using it.

GAH!! DISLIKE!! DISLIKE!!!!

It's weird how the hit that normally bounces them off the ground didn't hit, otherwise, her CE could work wonders as an air combo, too. And I'm upset that we have ANOTHER stun in Gloomy, yet we're always forced to Jolly. Why is it always Gloomy that gets the good moves?
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Kayane alreay said in her blog that Daishi said to her that Tira in the SC5 demo is far from finish and is not final. They only put her in the demo with the moves from SC4 because they only wanted to include her in the demo.

They said that Tira is still under deep creation, and is looking forward to recieving ideas on new attacks, moves, stances ext and improvements about Tira from people like us on this website.

So don't worry the Tira we see in the demo now is not final and is far from finish from what Daishi said.
 
might I just say that tira is one of the bottom line worst characters in the game, hanging with rock talim and mina.

So yes. She's crippled. The reasons you are throwing combos out so easily is because no one online knows how to play tira. Never mind against her. Its all ignorance.

Tira does however have some amazing combos. I love her for that, im so attracted to flashy combos its insane, But they are usually started by something unsafe, or slow. Her frames are nothing to brag about, her damage is alright to me, I think based upon the sheer amount of hits she gets in a combo balances out her low single strike output. Tira has some decent step catchers though and is definitely alright in that regard. But the moves she can throw out for damage leave little for mixup opportunity and that is what restrains her from tossing out her 4B:B:B 88A 4A:A 44444K 66666B every five minutes.

She needs more low mid strings in my opinion, i.e 4B:B:B gets a 4B:A:B which would cause a 50/50 guess scenerio, the 4B:A:B being something along the lines of 4B Gs 1A 66666B without the need for inputs. Resulting in heavy damage either way. That and the possibility of a cancel.

The biggest issue I have with tira though is her frames. That and her move list, keep in mind that if Tira gets bumped up even just to mid tier, and starts to become an issue for other players she WILL be checked out, which will be a problem for her movelist because of how slow her combo starters are, and how linear some of them are as well.

She needs an incredible amount of adjusting, while she is incredibly fun, and her base design is there and interesting, she has many more issues as opposed to thinking throwing in a guaranteed switch will save her.
 
and also might I just say, if your sentences start with "I don't play tira" than you shouldn't claim to know that she is anything but a character confirmed in five.

Your opinions are clouded and until you have actual experience and put time into a character, don't go trying to keep her the same/change her.
 
Fuzzieviking said:
and also might I just say, if your sentences start with "I don't play tira" than you shouldn't claim to know that she is anything but a character confirmed in five.

Your opinions are clouded and until you have actual experience and put time into a character, don't go trying to keep her the same/change her.
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Agreed, anyone who doesn't play tira shouldn't get into the debate of whether or not to keep her the same or change her. But I believe with actually playing the character that 1. she takes work to win with 2. She not easy execution wise either 3. She does have what it takes to do really well in tournament 4. If anyone complains about losing with the character and says she is too crippled in SC4 needs to just choose an easy top tier character. You decided to play the character so you pretty much get what you signed up for. If anyone here doesn't have what it takes to get extremely good with her and play at a high level, and think they have a right to complain about how bad she is in 4 is just not right. (Sorry if I came on a bit strong but I had to rush this post a little). I will finish posting everything else I have to say which is mostly positive stuff, sorry this is not meant to be directed toward anyone specific.
 
TiraLoveSlave said:
Yeah, and the matches themselves were low-tier... It's not like either of the players were pros whatsoever, hell the Voldo player won by spamming 2K out of desperation, I doubt ppl over at the Voldo boards are going "ZOMG Voldo's way OP, Day 1 GOD TIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Calm down, wait til at least the entire roster is released, or til there's less than month to the release date... Or just give up on her if you're that concerned/over reacting... :sc4tir1: <3
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I totally have to agree with you. Just because we see Tira lose some matches doesn't mean she's low tier. For all we know, it could been someone new at Soul Calibur playing as her or even a low skilled person playing as Tira that knows nothing about her.

I just wanted to point that out that we can't just judge off of the battles we seen on youtube or other websites. But remember Tira in the demo is not final or official and is far from complete according to what Daishi to Kayane... = )

I've seen a couple of SC5 fights where Astroth and Natsu were fighting each other. Natsu lost by a spamming Astroth a lot but does that mean that Natsu is low teir? Of course not. It means that the person playing as Natsu

Lacked guarding, offense, counter attcking or was just spamming aswell and didn't know how to play as her ext. I know we all have diffrent thoughts, but we must work together to help build a better Tira.

Everyones post on this thread is very important to me and I agree with most of them and enjoy taking out the time to read the yall posts. You all have amazing ideas about Tira but must work togther to help build a better Tira.

Thanks for reading...
 
Motiosho said:
I totally have to agree with you. Just because we see Tira lose some matches doesn't mean she's low tier. For all we know, it could been someone new at Soul Calibur playing as her or even a low skilled person playing as Tira that knows nothing about her. I just wanted to point that out that we can't just judge off of the battles we seen on youtube or other websites.

I've seen a couple of SC5 fights where Astroth and Natsu were fighting each other. Natsu lost by a spamming Astroth a lot but does that mean that Natsu is low teir? Of course not. It means that the person playing as Natsu made her look like she sucks, but she doesn't.
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I like how you guys are still spiting this shit when a group of fifty top french players stated tira was shit in the demo. Hell I don't think she won once there eihter.
 
Fuzzieviking said:
I like how you guys are still spiting this shit when a group of fifty top french players stated tira was shit in the demo. Hell I don't think she won once there eihter.
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I like how you didn't take out the time to read my other posts before you read this one.

Did you NOT read my previous posts when I clearly typed, that on Kayanes blog, she said that Daishi clearly told her that Tira in the demo is not final and far from finish.

They left her with the SC4 moves because they wanted to include her in the demo, but even Daishi SAID it HIMSELF!!
Tira IS FAR FROM FINISHED!! No one I mean NO ONE WILL know what Tira will officially turn out to be like when the game is released.

So stop talking about demo Tira if your just going to complain..... Understand??
In anycase we can't just judge from a character that is still under deep devolpment.... -_- so don't throw your trash me o.k?
 
Motiosho said:
I like how you didn't take out the time to read my other posts before you read this one.

Did you NOT read my previous posts when I clearly typed, that on Kayanes blog, she said that Daishi clearly told her that Tira in the demo is not final and far from finish.

They left her with the SC4 moves because they wanted to include her in the demo, but even Daishi SAID it HIMSELF!!
Tira IS FAR FROM FINISHED!! No one I mean NO ONE WILL know what Tira will officially turn out to be like when the game is released.

So stop talking about demo Tira if your just going to complain..... Understand??
In anycase we can't just judge from a character that is still under deep devolpment.... -_- so don't throw your trash me o.k?
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see if they are supposed to take suggestions how will they know if everyone is saying, oh she'll be fine. When they have stated many times they want our feedback. "oh no, she'll be fine in the end stop complaining." Um... no. Look where that got sc4 tira, who was worse off than her already low tier sc3 arcade version self.

That and the post wasn't just directed at you, notice how I said you guys rather then motiosho? Everyone that is saying we should stop making suggestions off of the demo needs to read that because she isn't going to get help without the suggestions from the people that play her. She wont just fix herself.
 
Fuzzieviking said:
see if they are supposed to take suggestions how will they know if everyone is saying, oh she'll be fine. When they have stated many times they want our feedback. "oh no, she'll be fine in the end stop complaining." Um... no. Look where that got sc4 tira, who was worse off than her already low tier sc3 arcade version self.

That and the post wasn't just directed at you, notice how I said you guys rather then motiosho? Everyone that is saying we should stop making suggestions off of the demo needs to read that because she isn't going to get help without the suggestions from the people that play her. She wont just fix herself.
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But where have you read any of my posts about Tira being perfect in SC5?? I never as long as I breathed left a post about Tira being perfect in SC5. I feel that your first post was disrespectful and had nothing to do with me. For as long

as I've played as Tira from SC3 to SC4, I would never wanna see any character being the same. I want SC3 Tira back not SC4 Tira accept once again with OUR ideas of more moves, attacks new stances plus old ones ext.

But I NEVER left a post stating that SC5 Tira is perfect. Im glad we was able to clear that up.

I don't think SC5 Tira is perfect. I even left previous posts stating that Tira is far from finish and that even while she was in the demo, she was still missing a lot of things.

They was just eagered to confirm Tira so Tira players can be happy that she is in the game

Daishi and other game creators of Soul Calibur are looking into these threads and taking up our concerns and ideas.

Anyways wouldn't that be spoiling the surprise if they included all of Tiras new moves and everything else about her in the demo?

Maybe they are hiding something about Tira that they don't want us to know that is good. You just have to keep looking on the bright side.

They wanted Tira in the Demo so how would Tira be a playable character in a demo without any moves? Thats part of why they gave demo Tira her SC4 moves so she can be a playable character in the demo

while they continue work on her, change up things on her, add new moves to her and other things to her that was not included in the demo. The official and final SC5 Tira will be nothing like the demo SC5 Tira

Which is still under deep developement. Daishi is a nice person and does listen to us, our ideas and our concerns. Sorry for the misunderstanding however, but I never posted anything about Tira being perfect in SC5.....

The end.
 
Fuzzieviking said:
see if they are supposed to take suggestions how will they know if everyone is saying, oh she'll be fine. When they have stated many times they want our feedback. "oh no, she'll be fine in the end stop complaining." Um... no. Look where that got sc4 tira, who was worse off than her already low tier sc3 arcade version self.

That and the post wasn't just directed at you, notice how I said you guys rather then motiosho? Everyone that is saying we should stop making suggestions off of the demo needs to read that because she isn't going to get help without the suggestions from the people that play her. She wont just fix herself.
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Im not saying stop making suggestions off of SC5 Tira and that she's fine or perfect, thats not what I was saying and I never posted a thread saying stop posting suggestions on Tira and that she is fine or perfect.

What Im saying is don't assume that SC5 demo Tira is weak or low teir because she is FAR from FINISHED!! And Daishi and other game developers are still visiting these threads and taking in our ideas and concerns.

Thats where I was really getting to. There is no point in calling a character like Tira low teir or weak, when she is far from finish and Daishi and other game developers are still visiting this website to take in our concerns and ideas about Tira.

We need to work together to help build a better Tira. BTW SC3 Tira is very strong not low teir especially when use correctly.

Tira went from perfect in SC3 to weak in SC4 because of people false complaints and misunderstanding. People who did not take out the time to train with SC3 Tira and actually learn her properly or didn't know how to play SC3 at all are the ones who complained about SC3 Tira being weak when she is actually very strong in SC3.

I never seen a single person that trianed with SC3 Tira and knew how to play as her, complained about her because even they knew that she is very strong when used correctly like any other strong character in SC3 and understood her fighting style.

But please lets stop talking about this. This is way off topic and I like this thread and don't want it to be closed down over too many arguments. You made a mistake and I forgive you for it. You thought that I was talking about something else and got confused.

I forgive you for it. As I hope you will accept my apology for being rude in my last post.
 
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