Siegfried Q&A / General Discussion

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GGs to my friend Synraii in the finals!! Siegfried isn't as bottom as people make him out to be!

I'm right as his house playing his promotional copy of the game, grinding story mode!!

AZ
 
tbh he feels weaker than sc4 and no he doesnt have everything he had. Imo not having A+B from all stances (especially SSH that made alot of stuff much safer) hurts my game alot. Slower SCH A and no SCH is bad aswell. Also no safe option from SBH (SBH A was awesome at sc4) is also bad.
22ka2A seems to give less + on hit than sc4. Doing 22/88 B+K evades really well but i seem to whiff an otherwise free SCH B very often.
SSH B seems pretty useless imo so far. At least [A], SSH K is again a combo which is awesome.
ch 1K seem to give less +

Mostly i dislike that he cant create space the way he could with SSH A+B, close space with SCH A+B (plus wall combos etc).

On the plus, i like the new SRSH A, 66A auto GI, 22/88A. I would love 22/88BB if it didnt whiff so much ;/
66K is again a good move imo. 4B is very nice even though its not safe, it has awesome TC frames and is fast enough to ch between AAs.
 
IceColdEdge
He has the worst backdash and side step of the game. That's a fact, I didn't invent it. But if it's enough for you, that's good.

People are optimistic for the moment because the character is stronger than in SCIV in an absolut way.
I hope that it won't take too long for them to realize how others characters in this game are far stronger.

Yeah, GG synraii, I don't know where you won and who were your oppenant, but that's the proof :Siegfried is A tier...
Just let him as he is !


About random whiff : SCH B and 22BB were nerfed. They didn't whiff like this before. 3B whiff too much too.
 
You guys have no idea ! While I dont agree he's THAT weak (I mean bottom tier) he's definitely among the weakest in the game. Time will tell, unless a patch saves him.
 
While I agree with the sadness of the nerfs, I am glad he gets pretty good damage off of what would otherwise be simple pokes in SCIV. 22k{A} SCH kA+B+K iaGA is pretty ridiculous for such a hit confirmable move.

The whiffing moves definitely need to be patched. But, I do see why they nerfed 22_88BB. I remember when I was playing on stream immediately after the Daishi vs. Ramon battle at NEC, Human_Typhoon stepped me HARD with Ezio while I was doing 22_88BB, and the second B completely auto-tracked him and I got a free CH to end the round.

Actually... with things like jG in the game, I see no reason why you would need to nerf it. jG is safe if Sieg mixes up into another stance.

But if I'm responsible for this nerf I AM SORRY, lol.
 
Pantocrator said:
IceColdEdge
He has the worst backdash and side step of the game. That's a fact, I didn't invent it. But if it's enough for you, that's good.
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What do you mean by "worst"? Do you mean in terms of distance covered? In terms of frames of animation to execute? Because I've compared his backdash to say, Natsu, for example, and his backdash is noticeably faster. I'm not exactly certain about distance covered, but I'll take a look at that more tonight.

- I.C.E.
 
Ah ok... Cool... I see that. That may be true. I'll be sure to spend some time on it tonight.

I guess the difference between our perspectives is that I take into perspective both speed and distance. (i.e. if natsu and sieg were having a "backdash race" Sieg would win by a mile) My point being I wouldn't want people to think Sieg is a stick in the mud. I'm not saying he's a speed demon per se. I'm just saying that he can move.

- I.C.E.
 
You know, while I agree that tier lists are something to consider, the player's own personal skills and ability to adapt, react and execute are FAR more important.

He's definitely stronger overall than in SCIV. I'd just give it some time and lots of play to know where he stands for sure. I know a player who's bitching about how Yoshi's been toned down from SCIV and I've heard the same from a couple of Mitsu players as well. It's a different beast...and aside from Sieg, I'm personally really happy to see that Tira got a lot better than she was in SCIV.
 
IceColdEdge said:
I guess the difference between our perspectives is that I take into perspective both speed and distance. (i.e. if natsu and sieg were having a "backdash race" Sieg would win by a mile) My point being I wouldn't want people to think Sieg is a stick in the mud. I'm not saying he's a speed demon per se. I'm just saying that he can move.
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I'm taking in consideration the speed too. but on my point of view, the distance covered is more important. Especially because I don't have the feeling that Siegfried's backdash is faster than Natsu's one, or especially fast.
Btw I can't be sure for the speed, and I guess that it will be very hard to test and compare the speed of backdash.
I didn't do it yet at least.

But for the distance covered,you can trust me, Siegfried 's one is the worst in this game. But of course in a absolute way it's still better than SCIV (fortunately), and this time you can still use it.
 
Is there a practical way to use SSH BBB? His 4B+K backstep seems a little better than in SCIV. Maybe say bait with A, then 4B+K for them to whiff then punish with SSH BBB?
 
Yes, this move is one of the best. it's reliable (still connect, rarely whiff), NC and does correct damage.
Basic set up = 1K> 4B+K.
 
I'm with Panto - compared to say Cervantes - SCV Siegfried is TERRIBLE. He'll get by early on with opponent ignorance, but there are characters WAY, WAY better than Sieg in this game. =/
 
Ring said:
Can you tell me how come Ivy is supposedly better than him because I don't see it right now.
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That was a misunderstood. But please go to cry and complain in an other SA. We already paid enough for this :-).
Siegfried doesn't have so good evading move, doesn't have a one hundred damage throw. Ivy has more damage, excellent zoning, and doesn't whiff for nothing...
 
but real men work hard :P

I tried legendary souls aswell. Had trouble at every fight. You know its tough when someone doesnt fall for gimmicky bullshit and can punish you correctly ;p
I hated my life when i saw how easily the cpu punished the stance transitions lol.
 
Pantocrator said:
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That was a misunderstood. But please go to cry and complain in an other SA. We already paid enough for this :-).
Siegfried doesn't have so good evading move, doesn't have a one hundred damage throw. Ivy has more damage, excellent zoning, and doesn't whiff for nothing...
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Alpha Pat has a 103-123 damage throw with fwd RO potential =)
 
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