Omega Pyrrha Matchup

OK, didn´t know. But his main is Pyrra and to be honest... Dina is not that good imo.

My bro did a first to ten against keev at WGC 2012. It´s almost a secret but he won... 10-9 and thus was the only player who could actually defeat keev at the event afaik. And now Nighty is weaker thanks to the patch....
 
JAGTHEGEMINI said:
OK, didn´t know. But his main is Pyrra and to be honest... Dina is not that good imo.

My bro did a first to ten against keev at WGC 2012. It´s almost a secret but he won... 10-9 and thus was the only player who could actually defeat keev at the event afaik. And now Nighty is weaker thanks to the patch....
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At worse then its a 6:4 match-up in her favor. I would utterly disagree with anything worse than that. Dina did make it to the winner's final in that competition and top positions at many of the french tourneys so he's gotta be doing something right.

Its possible that its the first time he had ever played a good Omega. No making excuses for Keev but it is possible. Dagoth is pretty damn top-tier anyway.

Theory wise:

If Omega plays defensively, I would crush her with GS B, 44A, 22AA (mix-ups), 66A, 3AA at tip, iagA, 2B+K BE as she comes in. Safemare in SC5 has more than 10 moves this time which is quite refreshing lol.

I believe FC 3B, WS A are very good moves in this match-up against DNS (not tested but based on my online play and videos I have seen). Of course, crouching against DNS is very, very high risk. I believe however to stop her abusing DNS A, you have to duck it and punish it to the max. It might be much harder in reality but I believe its worth a shot.

To counter DNS B, QS is everything. Step her and punish to the max. You mess it up, you will get hit hard but thats the nature of the match-up.

Spacing is the key as well. Imo, NM is slightly better at the whiff punish game than Omega is but both these characters want their opponent to whiff. Nightmare should be able to stop her coming in however with iagA, 3AA, 4k BE.

She has almost no very good lows so her mix-up game is mid/throw/crush mainly. Hmmm, reminds me a little bit of Nightmare. I think i'll pick her up in the near future :D
 
Engared said:
At worse then its a 6:4 match-up in her favor. I would utterly disagree with anything worse than that. Dina did make it to the winner's final in that competition and top positions at many of the french tourneys so he's gotta be doing something right.

Its possible that its the first time he had ever played a good Omega. No making excuses for Keev but it is possible. Dagoth is pretty damn top-tier anyway.

Theory wise:

If Omega plays defensively, I would crush her with GS B, 44A, 22AA (mix-ups), 66A, 3AA at tip, iagA, 2B+K BE as she comes in. Safemare in SC5 has more than 10 moves this time which is quite refreshing lol.

I believe FC 3B, WS A are very good moves in this match-up against DNS (not tested but based on my online play and videos I have seen). Of course, crouching against DNS is very, very high risk. I believe however to stop her abusing DNS A, you have to duck it and punish it to the max. It might be much harder in reality but I believe its worth a shot.

To counter DNS B, QS is everything. Step her and punish to the max. You mess it up, you will get hit hard but thats the nature of the match-up.

Spacing is the key as well. Imo, NM is slightly better at the whiff punish game than Omega is but both these characters want their opponent to whiff. Nightmare should be able to stop her coming in however with iagA, 3AA, 4k BE.

She has almost no very good lows so her mix-up game is mid/throw/crush mainly. Hmmm, reminds me a little bit of Nightmare. I think i'll pick her up in the near future :D
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Maybe you can play my Bro someday and see for yourself how things work out or not.

I wouldnt say either that it is more than a 6:4 for Omega, but that´s definetely true imo.

The complicate thing it to avoid DNSB while realising when DNSA comes out. It can be very frustrating to play against that character. Believe me, i guess i know better than almost everyone here...
 
JAGTHEGEMINI said:
Maybe you can play my Bro someday and see for yourself how things work out or not.

I wouldnt say either that it is more than a 6:4 for Omega, but that´s definetely true imo.

The complicate thing it to avoid DNSB while realising when DNSA comes out. It can be very frustrating to play against that character. Believe me, i guess i know better than almost everyone here...
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I'll get my taste of it when I finally play Raymus ( Shen Yuan) in SC5. Last time I played him was in Beta.
 
Engared said:
Theory wise:

If Omega plays defensively, I would crush her with GS B, 44A, 22AA (mix-ups), 66A, 3AA at tip, iagA, 2B+K BE as she comes in. Safemare in SC5 has more than 10 moves this time which is quite refreshing lol.

I believe FC 3B, WS A are very good moves in this match-up against DNS (not tested but based on my online play and videos I have seen). Of course, crouching against DNS is very, very high risk. I believe however to stop her abusing DNS A, you have to duck it and punish it to the max. It might be much harder in reality but I believe its worth a shot.
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Since you are talking theory, then 22AA mixups do not work and 3AA tip does not matter. 22AA mixups do not work in theory because of stuff I detailed in other thread (which I'll re-post here if needed). Also, in theory they will consistently just guard 3AA, making the tip range safety a non issue. 66A is also duckable on reaction.
 
Tiamat said:
Since you are talking theory, then 22AA mixups do not work and 3AA tip does not matter. 22AA mixups do not work in theory because of stuff I detailed in other thread (which I'll re-post here if needed). Also, in theory they will consistently just guard 3AA, making the tip range safety a non issue. 66A is also duckable on reaction.
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Don't be playahatin'. Was just trying to bring it back on topic for people who actually use the strategies as reference.
 
Engared said:
Don't be playahatin'. Was just trying to bring it back on topic for people who actually use the strategies as reference.
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yeah I did feel kinda like a jerk posting that cause it's so nitpicky (though its true). you do have a point though. lets try to keep "my mom could beat yur dad with omega pyrrha" out of the discussion please
 
I just got rape by an Omega (1-5), she punishes everything with 236B4 wtf ?!
Forget the 66K, 33B (of course), 3AA and 22AA. And if she takes attention, she punishes 22AGS mixup.
Plus she launch random CE after BB, 6B or at wakeup, and she waits !
Very hard matchup for me.
 
IkI said:
I just got rape by an Omega (1-5), she punishes everything with 236B4 wtf ?!
Forget the 66K, 33B (of course), 3AA and 22AA. And if she takes attention, she punishes 22AGS mixup.
Plus she launch random CE after BB, 6B or at wakeup, and she waits !
Very hard matchup for me.
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I always end up eating 66B on wake up. It pisses me off. I know you can roll it I keep forgetting which directing though.
 
Solo said:
I always end up eating 66B on wake up. It pisses me off. I know you can roll it I keep forgetting which directing though.
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I believe it's to her right side, but it tracks like crazy against rollers. It's often safer to just stand up and block it, then go for a mid poke like 3K to stop whatever shenanigans she has planned.

6B is also pretty good in this matchup, because it crushes NS A and 22A and has huge pushback to keep her out. She can't DNS under it either. Edit: I got confused and thought I was on the Siegfried SA. Disregard the 6B part.
 
^It hits me even if I do a standing block. I despise that move. Also thanks for the Sieg tip. (since I play them both)
 
A bit off topic but Omega is just stupid...same for rugi..and yeah 66b on wakeup= a living hell. There is just no good way around those chars...u can try atleasts. And can someone react too 44(A) from omega? im not sure and on top of that does nasty guard damage
 
Solo said:
^It hits me even if I do a standing block. I despise that move. Also thanks for the Sieg tip. (since I play them both)
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Unless she combos into it, you can immediately guard any move while on the ground by holding G (there's no vulnerability while standing up, unlike with ukemi).
 
If someone could upload a vid against a good omega to get some tips because it's impossible to deal with her. Matshup is 1-9 for me lol
 
Teching clockwise (Your right. Her left) beats 66B on wake up. Pretty sure rolling clockwise in most cases is safe too. Teching counter clockwise is also possible, but don't roll counter clockwise.

Omega 4(A) can be ducked on reaction, but you might not see it enough to be conditioned to do it.
 
236236/DNS: The tracking on this seems much higher than I thought before, it seems like I can only reliably evade it with 88B. I want a better whiff punish against 236236B, but I can't consistently land anything else online(which is unfortunately the only way I can find a challenge currently) without it being interrupted by DNS B or landing so late it's blocked---and then punished with DNS B. I have some success with mixing up 88B and iFC 3B, but one can only guess correctly so many times and I keep losing the damage and pressure races. I've experimented with several alternate punishes and interrupts(3AA/3B/3K/33B/66B/44B/44A/22K/22AA/jump A/66A) and it works fine in offline modes, but I can't reliably perform these online due to the same two issues: it's interrupted or blocked with greater consistency that it succeeds.

Am I SOL on having a non-vertical counter to DNS online, or is there something huge I'm missing?
 
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