Tier Discussion

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Top Tier - Alpha, Phyrras, Cervy, Natsu, Mitsu

High Tier - Nightmare, Astaroth, Lexia, Algol, Patroclos, Voldo, Ivy, Maxi, Yoshi, Devil Jin

Mid Tier - Siegfried, Tira, Hilde, Xiba, ZWEI, Raph,

Low Tier - Aeon, Dampierre, Ezio,

This is Based on 4 Main Criteria --> Damage/Punishment, Spacing/Range, Mixups/Comeback, System mgmt (Post GI, Post JG, CE/BE, Block Gauge)

The Top Tiers are best at DMG and Mixups. High Tiers have good Space and can work the System. Mid Tier requires you to know your opponent that much more.

Anyone Agree/Disagree? High Tier can be split up into High and Upper Mid.
 
Xiba > Leixia on damage
Xiba > Leixia on Spacing
Xiba > Leixia on Comeback potential
Xiba > Leixia on Meter (Dat CE and his hit confirmable damage boosters.)

Leixia > Xiba on low - punishment
Leixia > Xiba on Guard crush game
Leixia > Xiba on wall/edge pressure.

I still say Xiba is better than her. Even in 1.02.
 
Her guard gurst was probably the best in the game in 1.01, I'd say it's still better mainly because of the forced blocks.
 
Yes, exactly :p You can't roll or tech, you must block or get hit, and if you get hit you you have to block again or get hit again. In SC4 it was possible to get up and immediately step in situations like this (for eample Ivy's SW 214K > SW 3B, you could get up and step 3B), now if you try that you will eat a CH.
 
After SW 214K Ground hit, didn't Amy get an uninterruptable 6BB or something? Like you had to use TC attacks to beat it?
 
As much we would like to think Xiba is better at spacing, the opponents I play make it feel like LEX controls space much better than XIBA. Xiba still suffers from having is moves fairly telegraphed, whereas Lex has many feints that makes you want to press buttons. Her pokes at spacing feel much more reliable than Xiba.

Xiba has that fine CE, but in terms of building meter and using it, I believe LEX's stuff is more reliable to use, while Xiba's seem only useful in Combos.

And again, although Xiba is still a good character, I still feel you need to know your opponent to ensure you land attacks, whereas LEX can just throw moves out with little repercussion, forcing block and gauge damage.

I still like Xiba, but he suffers from the same thing as the rest of the people in his Tier. You REALLY need to be good at reading your opponent to be really effective. If they know your character decently well, your tools become severly limited IMO.

Eli - Dont fall into the category of "No CE x2 She Sux". This is game is a lot more than who can land CEs first.
 
Top Tier - Alpha, Omega, Cervy, Mitsu

High Tier - Natsu, Pyrrah, Nightmare, Astaroth, Algol, Patroklos, Ivy, Yoshi, Hilde, Xiba

Mid Tier - Siegfried, Tira, ZWEI, Lexia, Maxi, Voldo, Aeon

Low Tier - Dampierre, Ezio, Raph
 
Dino- I guess you didn't understand my sarcasm, but don't group me with these retarded Leixia players who cry that she bottom tier.
 
These lists are cool, here is my view:

Top tier - Cervantes
High tier - Alpha Pat, Mitsurugi, Algol, Astaroth, Pyrrha, Ivy, Nightmare, Yoshimitsu, Patroklos,
Voldo, Siegfried, Leixia, Natsu, Maxi, , Xiba, Aeon, Tira, Zwei, Raphael, Pyrrha Omega, Viola, Ezio, Hilde
Mid tier - None
Low tier - None

? tier : Dampierre

Some points:
- High tier differences are small enough for me not to care / be able to make differences
- What can I say, Cervy took this SC edition
- Dampierre is weird
- Zwei, Siegfried, and Aeon players need to step up their game
- Could this the be the most accurate list so far? Me thinks so
 
D.I.N.O said:
Top Tier - Alpha, Phyrras, Cervy, Natsu, Mitsu

High Tier - Nightmare, Astaroth, Lexia, Algol, Patroclos, Voldo, Ivy, Maxi, Yoshi, Devil Jin

Mid Tier - Siegfried, Tira, Hilde, Xiba, ZWEI, Raph,

Low Tier - Aeon, Dampierre, Ezio,

This is Based on 4 Main Criteria --> Damage/Punishment, Spacing/Range, Mixups/Comeback, System mgmt (Post GI, Post JG, CE/BE, Block Gauge)

The Top Tiers are best at DMG and Mixups. High Tiers have good Space and can work the System. Mid Tier requires you to know your opponent that much more.

Anyone Agree/Disagree? High Tier can be split up into High and Upper Mid.
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There is no way maxi, voldo, or pat is high tier. DJ is probably not high tier either, all he has is EGWF jf and some general 50/50 mix ups. Voldo is horrible in this game, nuff said. Pat I don't know a terrible amount about. His 236B jg has small range but can punish decently. Decent CE damage which can staple after quite a few combos. And his damage output in general is pretty good. And just for fun, 1k is obnoxious on hit. Still, I'm sure he probably doesn't qualify for high teir when compared to characters like nightmare and astaroth.
 
meh guess its time for my lists :/ ( * means questionable)
Top Tier -Alpha,Omega,Mitsurugi
High Tier -Astaroth,Cervantes,Nightmare,*Algol,Viola,*pyrrha,Ivy,*Yoshi,Natsu
Mid Tier - Zwei (kidding on zwei I wish) Leixia,Xiba,Tira,*Siegfried,*Aeon,*Voldo,Pat,Maxi,Hilde
Low Tier - Zwei,Raphael,Dampierre,Ezio note: Im not including devil jin on my lists.
 
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