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Djangoknight said:
how is B6 a punish when he can 2B+K, B, 3B/CE 74/110 damage
at mid-long range is where 3(B) shine even more, 3(B) into B+K or 2B+K can evade or GI just about everything from that range.
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B+K aGI about everything????? clearly I'm not using Sieg correctly O_O!
 
Djangoknight said:
how is B6 a punish when he can 2B+K, B, 3B/CE 74/110 damage
at mid-long range is where 3(B) shine even more, 3(B) into B+K or 2B+K can evade or GI just about everything from that range.
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His stance transitions range between i19 and i24. Good point though, since depending on hitboxes/or tracking it will evade earlier. For example mitsu 236B beats it.
 
Djangoknight said:
he on your 2P side isn't he then 8B+K...
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Ah yes ok that was it, i forgot mitsu's 236 B tracking was weak to one side (Mitsu B6 seems to work though).
But still not a bad option though, even if its not a 100% guaranteed punishment.
There are certainly a number of punishers that beat all his attacks on range and the majority of his evades.

I still have to give you credits for the evades though. I was thinking about the i19-i24 stance transition window and forgot about the evasion kicking in some frames earlier, my bad.
 
Moves that step and TC beat all of his options after 3{B}. Yoshi's 33B will evade B and K while at the same time ducking A after a blocked 3{B}. Must be other moves with the same properties. Maybe Mitsu's 11B,A.
 
Oboro said:
Moves that step and TC beat all of his options after 3{B}. Yoshi's 33B will evade B and K while at the same time ducking A after a blocked 3{B}. Must be other moves with the same properties. Maybe Mitsu's 11B,A.
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Hilde's 88B, Maxi's 88B and Phyrra's 88BAK are some other moves that completely shit on the whole stance too.
 
Reave said:
Hilde's 88B, Maxi's 88B and Phyrra's 88BAK are some other moves that completely shit on the whole stance too.
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Thank you. Thats exactly what i meant. Just find something that beats his stance options and you have a good counter to 3(B). Being in a stance makes you vulnerable and limited. There's a reason why his 3B is -20 while his 3(B) counterpart is only -1.

We can stop posting answers to 3(B) now though. lol
 
And Time for the Un-Truth to spread wisdom. So Cervantes does How much damage off launcher with no meter? 92 damage? and how much damage does dampierre do off of 11/77B B!E! 4B?

Now lets talk about AEON, his moves are decent, he excels in ring outs. The issue is that he exposes himself to all sorts of attacks. A good pyrrha/patroklos/Omega should never ever lose to an AEON. While characters like Raph have speed and multiple hits. If someone kites Aeon, he is completely at a disadvantage, since his step killer exposes his body. In order for me to win a fight with AEON I literally have to either ring someone out, or score a ton of counter hits. Agains't players who twitch block with fake outs, there is no chance in hell. They know that AEON can't gain advantage. So what if he has TC and TJ's? Other characters have side stepping TC's and TJ's. Raph's speed and range make him much more valid than AEON.
 
Aeon's 22AB, 33B, 11A and 11B are sidestepping TC's. 22K is a sidestepping TJ. 4B+K is both a TJ and TC. 8B+K seems to work wonders on characters with long range horizontal attacks. It also crushes moves like Patroklos and Natsu's 66B. His 66A is the best step killer in the game. It's phantom range is ridiculous.

Dampierre is random.

You lose lol.
 
Reave I will just say you don't understand what a side stepping TC and TJ are. Pyrrha B+K jumps and vertical evades. Do you understand the difference now? Dampierre has some random moves but he also has moves that aren't random. 8B+K is a fun move, but it eats nearly every launcher, and since its not super fast, you suffer damage from a GI. Also since its damage frames aren't great, you get air grabbed out of it by nightmare and astaroth, and I am pretty sure I did Yoshi's air grab once too...

In short you lose for not understanding the difference between a move that Sidesteps and TC/TJ's and a move that requires a SS to activate it. Wanna know the way you can tell? Do 66:3B, you will notice the move itself doesn't side step. So... TRY HARDER NEXT TIME please.

Edit:Ps:*Get on my level!*
 
Tier list discussion: Home of people who wish they knew what they were talking about, and 2 guys who do trying to hold a rational discourse above the bullshit.

Shut up and play you scrubs.
 
Well, I should ammend my Tier List, IdleMind < Aeon < ZWEI < Dampierre
Obviously since we all know IdleMind is a scrub and a troll whom can't handle being a mod, he is the lowest of the low. Idle, follow the forum rules and stop being a troll and stay on topic or don't post at all, reported!
 
Un-Truth said:
Well, I should ammend my Tier List, IdleMind < Aeon < ZWEI < Dampierre
Obviously since we all know IdleMind is a scrub and a troll whom can't handle being a mod, he is the lowest of the low. Idle, follow the forum rules and stop being a troll and stay on topic or don't post at all, reported!
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Your butt is so hurt right now, it's great =)

PS: We both know nothing is going to happen here. People are probably thanking me in droves I've distracted this bullshit discussion into you throwing a tantrum at me instead of mediocre players talking shit about a game they don't play at a level to comment on tiers on.

PPS: I'm also not arrogant enough to think I ought to comment either.
 
How have I bitched about it? We are talking about Tier's, I consider Aeon and Dampierre to be low teir, everyone else mid tier, and those special few to be high tier. Its a tier discussion, I present facts and you RAGING FAGGOTS('smokes') insult me. So stay on topic, bitch-ass FAGGOTS(once again, 'smokes')

Stop posting if you aren't on topic Idle, you are breaking forum rules which you are well aware exist, reported again.

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