Leixia Matchup Chart Discussion Thread

[Ring]

Therenovator taking the trolling to a whole new level. I don't get why you guys (specifically Kalas) even bother replying to him.

 

[Age_of_Truth]

Lol, I don't even know what Kong Head Slam is. I'm guessing CH 6B?

Anyway, it's not about only using TCs. It's a combination of evasive moves. Xiba was always pretty good at dealing with WS B even pre patch, so the nerfs to that move don't feel as heavy as other matchups like Sieg.

TCs are useless against Xiba unless you are at mid range and specifically trying to beat 6A. His mids are way too damaging to make TCs at all worth it at close range.

Kong Head Slam is the BE attack he can do after all his Channeling Kick mix-ups. Channeling Kick is the K attack he can do after 6A, 6B and A+B. I use their in-game name because they can be used in different situations, rather than writing "the kick and Brave Edge that can be done after 6A 6B and A+B" every time.

And WR B BE was AMAZING against Xiba prepatch. It evaded the kick even though you can't step it. It destroyed his mix-ups completely. Now, with the sidestep window being so late, you can't dodge 6B K, and 6A K has to be countered with WR B BE immediately, i.e. as a guess rather than on reaction. And just like against everyone else, you can't use it to escape guard burst pressure after being knocked down (again because of the delayed sidestep window)

 

[LP]

Don't worry, Renovator. I actually agree with quite a bit you're saying. Still, I believe Ivy is fuckin' cheap (but no one else does...even though I've managed to beat people people like Partisan, Lolo, Woahhzz, RTD, Link, and Hawkeye with her without feeling pressured at all). You just can't play all the characters the same way. I would say you should save your breath but this board needs activity and contradictory views!

But, yeah...I don't think there's any way in hell Ast vs. Leixia can be in his favor outside of damage, but his movement and attack speed are so bad it doesn't matter. The only thing I can honestly say should be able to help him a bit is bullrush BE...but, even then, if it gets blocked, he's getting launched put right back into the same situation.

I think Natsu vs. Leixia is only slightly in Natsu's favor. They have a bunch of tools that hurt each other's game. The only reason I'd say slightly in Natsu's favor is because 66b can be very evasive, unpunishable, and/or put Leixia in a reverse mixup if she gets punishment happy sometimes and 22a can kill momentum and shut down a lot of approach options.

Voldo vs. Leixia is def in her favor because she steps his whole movelist (even grabs) and punishes damn near everything else! They also match each other just about in damage.

I think Pat vs. Leixia is prob 6-4 in his favor. I think it's hard to call, though, because she can shut down lots of stuff with aa, outpoke him, and punish him better than most. Still, if he guesses right on a high crush, you're taking half life...and he controls step really well at close/mid range.

Hawkeye and I play Hilde vs Leixia. I will admit, I don't think we've ever analyzed the match...but, while playing, it feels about even. Still, like I said, we've never done an in-depth analysis of it.

P.S. I realized in Anaheim that, with the backstep nerf, 44B+K is a VERY viable option.

 

[JustinAkatsuki]

Therenovator taking the trolling to a whole new level. I don't get why you guys (specifically Kalas) even bother replying to him.

Can't he just be blocked or like banned? I dunno man but he just trolls everyone

 

[Kalas]

I don't get why you guys (specifically Kalas) even bother replying to him.

I just can't be a bad person, even on teh internetz. :)

But, yeah...I don't think there's any way in hell Ast vs. Leixia can be in his favor outside of damage, but his movement and attack speed are so bad it doesn't matter. The only thing I can honestly say should be able to help him a bit is bullrush BE...but, even then, if it gets blocked, he's getting launched put right back into the same situation.

I think Pat vs. Leixia is prob 6-4 in his favor. I think it's hard to call, though, because she can shut down lots of stuff with aa, outpoke him, and punish him better than most. Still, if he guesses right on a high crush, you're taking half life...and he controls step really well at close/mid range.

You're right about Leixia having some tools against those two characters (even I admit that not everything about here sucks, only some key factors), but - and I can only speak for myself now - if you are the Leixia player and you keep your own tools and those of your opponent in mind and you therefore know that if you're opponent steps/JGs/whiffpunishes/interrupts correctly and gets easily twice her damage, you (or I) are generally more tempted to hesitate, wait and observe instead of just rushing it down. Maybe my mind(-game) is just too weak, but with this knowledge in mind, I think it's extremely difficult to keep on pressuring your opponent. I hope you get what I mean.
And this is something that will keep most - if not all - Leixia players from winning tournaments (unless somebody like Keev starts playing Leixia).

I'm not trying to look for excuses, I'm only trying to explain why most of Leixia's match-ups are disadvantaged (even slightly), in my opinion.

But by the way, weren't you saying you would start playing Leixia in tournaments some weeks ago? Your Leixia looks weird with that orb. =P

And about 44B+K: I know it's better than I thought at the beginning and if I had any competitive motivation left for Leixia, I'd go through all movelists and search for all possibilities just like I did with 4A+B, but well...

 

[LP]

I just can't be a bad person, even on teh internetz. :)

But by the way, weren't you saying you would start playing Leixia in tournaments some weaks ago? Your Leixia looks weird with that orb. =P

Hey! I played her in the side tournament! XP

But, seriously, if Thugish gets really good with Viola, I'll drop her and play Leixia...or maybe Ivy! Bitch is bananas!

 

[docvizzo]

Hey! I played her in the side tournament! XP

But, seriously, if Thugish gets really good with Viola, I'll drop her and play Leixia...or maybe Ivy! Bitch is bananas!

Haha, i KNEW that sooner or later Thugish will pick Viola. She designed for his cheap ass style. Tell him he sucks from me.

 

[ZeroEffect317]

matchupz

So aside from Pat matchup, sounds like you pretty much agree with my list. (Not sure what part of renovators post you're agreeing with though... Cervantes a 5/5? really?)

I'm not name dropping like everyone else, but I'mma just say that oftentimes matchups tend to play out differently than they look on paper. On paper the Asta matchup should be terrible, but in play, not so much. Same with Natsu.

 

[ZeroEffect317]

for the speed leixia has her range is very good thats why her damage is low well thats what daishi told me anyway.

This quote... would imply that Natsu and Alpha should have the same low damage output right?

i think namco need to focus on buffing her move set like 22k knocking down WR B BE evading again like pre patch. but she does need a damage buff now here move set is weakened.

And this quote... is actually contradictory.

 

[Age_of_Truth]

I'm not name dropping like everyone else, but I'mma just say that oftentimes matchups tend to play out differently than they look on paper.

People are just mentioning names because they're trying to show that they've tested the match-up against someone that will play the other character to a high level. You can't really tell how good or bad a match-up is if you can beat your opponent just by being better than them. And without strong opposition you're just guessing based on abstract ideas and theory.

 

[ZeroEffect317]

Yeah I gotcha, but that's just my personal preference. More often than not, name dropping ends in arguments over who apparently has the biggest names to train with, or whose scene is stronger, or who knows more because of their association with other named players.

I'm always open to discuss matchups or analyze vids or whatever, because it's as concrete as you can get with this sort of thing. (since you can't really calculate player adaptaion speed). And if through further testing and playing I am proven wrong, I have no issue saying so. Then there's also the possibility that the named high level players are just outplaying that person, which would make those matchups look better or worse by default.

 

[YoshiKatYoko]

I disagree with Pyrrha O. VS Leixia being 5/5 or 4/6. That's just, I can't agree with. 6/4 yes.

 

[ZeroEffect317]

I disagree with Pyrrha O. VS Leixia being 5/5 or 4/6. That's just, I can't agree with. 6/4 yes.

6/4 in Leixia's favor? ...Why?

 

[YoshiKatYoko]

I don't actually know the definition of this things and numbers, but Pyrrha Omega has a bigger advantage than Leixia matchup.

Edit: In Leixia favor, Pyrrha Omega is 4:6.

 

[JustinAkatsuki]

gah me bored now where im at soo am gonna come up with me own leixia matchup chart! :D

Aeon- 5:5
Astaroth- 4:6( I personally feel astaroth does not outright destroy leixia..despite damage difference)
Alpha-4:6
Algol- 4:6
Pat-5:5(slightly in pat's favor tho, it's close to being a 4:6 for me)
natsu-4:6(in natsu's favor)
Raphael-6:4
pyrrha-???
Omega-4:6
mitsurugi-4:6(highly in mit's favor)
Maxi-5:5(slightly in maxi's favor)
Ivy-4:6
Ezio-5:5
Xiba-4:6
Dampierre-???
Voldo-???
Siegfried-5:5(slightly in sig's favor)
Nightmare-4:6
Viola-4:6
Yoshimitsu-5:5(slightly in yoshi's favor)
Hilde-???
Zwei-6:4(although im not the best zwei player...if leixia spaces and turtles well zwei will have problems getting in. Furthermore her evades give him a bit of trouble due to alot of his moves having bad hitboxes and not a good step).

Well am done sorry if anyone takes this matchup chart seriously..I assume everyone here does...But i can see why some of the stuff age of_truth and kalas are talking about, compared to sc4 this time around she does not have alot of favorable matchups. Although still winnable. And I do not believe she has any 3:7 matchups just doesn't feel like other chars outright destroy her such as astaroth,mits, alpha etc...

 

[Reptile]

I've never seen you play Leixia Justin.

 

[JustinAkatsuki]

I've never seen you play Leixia Justin.

Yeah I do but never used her on you.(I can use every char really but only a few I use in actual matches) My lists shouldn't really be taken seriously, I mean I just don't really have alot of experience and credibility so you can say..I posted this matchup chart to get some more discussion going and see what everyone thinks of leixia matchups so far.

 

[ShinjiUrahara]

OMG this is terrible we need an official lex match up chart... some of them are good others are eh...

like Lex totally > SCV cast fuck that seriously.

But no really her ONLY bad or tough match ups are Mitsu (Bad match up for ANYBODY), Natsu (Anybody), Pyhrra, Xiba, Viola (Ban this bitch!) Thats prettimuch it!

 

[TsunamiBye]

What about Pat? Though I'm a Lei scrub, but imho a good Pat can just open people up so well.

 

[ZeroEffect317]

OMG this is terrible we need an official lex match up chart... some of them are good others are eh...

First, no way is Natsu worse for her than Cervantes. Second, which chart do you agree with (mostly) and why/why not? You did great at CEO but we'll need more than that to justify any claims.