Rise of Leixia!

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Zoidberg I know that recently you said you were relatively new to competitive SC and 8wr in general.

I'd like you to stop putting Aeon in your "shitty character" comparisons. You obviously know nothing of the character.

I'm gonna leave it at that.
 
We already know what her faults are. Why must people keep pounding it into every thread. How could anyone win EVO with her if people are gonna keep going on and on about how she does low damage or WrB BE lost its evasion speed.

It's a doomed cycle. If you feel like people are ignorant then let them be ignorant. Me personally I can't stand coming in this SA. I'd rather venture into ones of characters I don't even play.

Has anyone even tried 6(A) post launch. It works wonders for me but no one has said 1B is better because ________________. Instead I have someone telling me they will stuff 1K every time they see it when there are a fuck ton of other things they have to worry about as Leixia twirls at them.
 
Solo what the hell? Can you bring your Siegfried whining conversations elsewhere? I mean dang man the Aeon SA's have been six feet under since the dawn of time but I ain't bitching about the Lizard fire breathing the atmosphere in some Siegfried discussion thread.

Seriously.
It only started because I made a comparison. Threads get derailed all the time, quit bitching about it.
 
We already know what her faults are. Why must people keep pounding it into every thread. How could anyone win EVO with her if people are gonna keep going on and on about how she does low damage or WrB BE lost its evasion speed.


People pound their frustrations into every thread because this website/forum is *the* place for any/all discussions of the game. When someone pours hundreds (even thousands, if you count previous iterations) of hours into a character, there's often some emotional attachment there. When the game is *this close* to being perfect, but is being held back by poor balancing decisions, it's VERY frustrating for dedicated players. It may all come across as whining (and some of it is), but there's a reason for it.

It's a doomed cycle. If you feel like people are ignorant then let them be ignorant. Me personally I can't stand coming in this SA. I'd rather venture into ones of characters I don't even play.

I agree with you about letting people have their ignorance. If someone is too stupid or arrogant to learn the facts, then choose to talk out their ass and draw ridiculous conclusions, then let them wallow in their ignorance - their performance in the game will often reflect the truth of their condition. If one or two sound arguments do nothing to sway their opinion, then a million more probably won't, either.

Has anyone even tried 6(A) post launch. It works wonders for me but no one has said 1B is better because ________________. Instead I have someone telling me they will stuff 1K every time they see it when there are a fuck ton of other things they have to worry about as Leixia twirls at them.

I do occasionally throw 6A out there after a launch. Damage wise, it's not meaningfully different than 1B, but the biggest draw it has going for it is that it allows for standing attacks without RCC. Unfortunately, 6[A] grants the opponent a measure of air control that can make it more difficult for Leixia to keep her opponent's back to the wall/edge. If you're at a place/time in which this isn't important, I say go for it.

Moves like the 3A series (3A, A/3A, FC2K/3A, WR A/3A, Throw/ etc) open up for some cheap little shenanigans when used after the forward spin. If you press buttons a little earlier, you get full access to her FC and WR moves as well, which gives the post-6[A] access to literally every single move she has depending on when you time it.

All that being said, I personally go for 1B most of the time anyway, and here's why. 1B slams the opponent down into an untechable, un-aircontrollable knockdown that says, "I want you up close, right here next to me while I mix you up. I've got FC3B, FC3bB, FC2K, Throws, WR A+B, and a whole bunch of other stuff to use on you, and you aren't going ANYWHERE while I do it."

6[A] has greater flexibility and pushback, but doesn't have quite the "guaranteed" feeling of 1B. The trouble is that 3B, 1B only nets 31 damage (IIRC).

If you really don't give a shit about damage, you can totally bypass the 6[A] and just go into a manual B+K to throw them off a bit while keeping them in the same 2D plane until they hit the ground. This can be helpful if you land a launcher somewhat close to a wall, but you need some pushback without them air controlling out of your next mixup (which should significantly raise the stakes for them, considering Leixia's wall damage is actually pretty good).
 
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No No! No No! No No!

Instead of drama, try contributing/studying intensively with glee of what you got. The game is still young and I still stand by the scrubby logic: Leixia is capable enough to hang with the big boys.

Like check here. Not many Yoshi mainers would take time and share a weakness to help Leixia rise to power.

I believe the more anti stuff you have, the better you'll do in tourneys. I'm pretty sure Decopon and others did a lot of studying to do that well as proof of that.
 
Has anyone even tried 6(A) post launch. It works wonders for me but no one has said 1B is better because ________________.

1B is better because it does the same thing for more damage. 6[A] looks cool and I was messing with it even prepatch to get BT mixups off opponent's AC, but in the end you're adding more complicated guessing to a much easier situation

I believe the more anti stuff you have, the better you'll do in tourneys. I'm pretty sure Decopon and others did a lot of studying to do that well as proof of that.
I'm starting to believe this isn't true. I've contributed more tech, more info, more videos, and more anti-character, than the rest of this forum. Lol, where's my tournament win? There's a deeper understanding of things than that, unfortunately.

Zoidberg I know that recently you said you were relatively new to competitive SC and 8wr in general.

I'd like you to stop putting Aeon in your "shitty character" comparisons. You obviously know nothing of the character.

I'm gonna leave it at that.

Aeon huh? I admit to not knowing much of the character either, but from what I do know, he seems extremely poke based and gimmicky. It's almost like playing Raph with a great 66A. But do you really think he's that good? Would he beat Leixia for example?
 
We already know what her faults are. Why must people keep pounding it into every thread. How could anyone win EVO with her if people are gonna keep going on and on about how she does low damage or WrB BE lost its evasion speed.

It's a doomed cycle. If you feel like people are ignorant then let them be ignorant. Me personally I can't stand coming in this SA. I'd rather venture into ones of characters I don't even play.

Has anyone even tried 6(A) post launch. It works wonders for me but no one has said 1B is better because ________________. Instead I have someone telling me they will stuff 1K every time they see it when there are a fuck ton of other things they have to worry about as Leixia twirls at them.

I'll give you an answer straight, with no whining. I respect you enough to at least give you that much.

The people who are most likely to win with Leixia (tops) all quit because other characters are easier, or better. The rest of us are divided. There's the people actually trying even though you know it'd be easier with another character (You, Shinji, Zero) because you like the character. There's people who are irritated because we think it's just not right (Me and some others. For me specifically, it's the principal in the matter), and then, the rest of them are probably scared that if Leixia ever wins anything, she won't get the buffs we/they believe she deserves.

I mean, people bring up Tira winning, but half the character is definitely top/high tier. Lei is not.

But still, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try, you're right on that. It's just that your biggest answer is probably most people don't want to win EVO with the current Leixia, because of the challenges involved, and the lack of real benefits they find in playing the character. I get benefit to playing her because she's natural to me, not because she's good. I tell you what, though. I would have been there, except that my plane there is about a week late. I get into Vegas the 16th I believe.

As for 6[A], I have, it's been a bit since I have, though. I'd imagine it depends. However, my gripe on that, at least pre-patch, was that people could AC all around and shit and escape some of the mix-up they would receive. RCC 1K, 3BB, are among those that had a hard time hitting because of it. 1B puts people guaranteed in a range where they have to eat the full blunt of her mix-up, RCC and all, no matter what they do. So, bring that throw fear and make them try to duck after, and you can actually start scoring some real damage off the set-up. Even more hilarious, on certain occasions, I'll even go for 3B, 3A+B, 2A+B because it gives a solid wake-up track in all directions, albeit less damage. Once you can do that, you can cancel it as well and if they freeze/block low, hilarious action ensues, because you're in FC.
 
I'm starting to believe this isn't true. I've contributed more tech, more info, more videos, and more anti-character, than the rest of this forum. Lol, where's my tournament win? There's a deeper understanding of things than that, unfortunately.

Aeon huh? I admit to not knowing much of the character either, but from what I do know, he seems extremely poke based and gimmicky. It's almost like playing Raph with a great 66A. But do you really think he's that good? Would he beat Leixia for example?

For one, he said better you'll do at tournaments, not the one who gives the most wins tournaments. xD

Aeon isn't awful, he's got a couple things going for him. To be honest, multiple times, I've thought about making a variant style for him myself as a sub. Actually, since Decapon already topped with Tira, he might replace her on my list as a sub. Her or Natsu, Leixia isn't going anywhere. Regardless of who wins with her. Still my favorite ever.
 
I'm starting to believe this isn't true. I've contributed more tech, more info, more videos, and more anti-character, than the rest of this forum. Lol, where's my tournament win? There's a deeper understanding of things than that, unfortunately.
Well, I'm just being overly optimistic haha. I'm pretty sure you'll get a tourney win someday. As for contributions? Yeah, you've done lots. Gratitude I must say again.
 
Aeon owns. But I'm not starting a discussion about how so here. But if I had to compare him with Leixia... Not sure.
She can punish very well the majority of his core moves (including 66A) and he doesn't deal too well with frame traps, but outdamages her (obviously) and can whiff punish her hard and easily.

It pretty much comes down to the player.
 
Man seeing this SA is really depressing...Zeroeffect and a few others are really the only saving grace on this SA. The others just bitch or say how "unviable" she is due to her low damage...ok you guys know her faults so to some of u why keep talking about? I main zwei. So many people tell me he is the worst char in the game along with raph...my opinion but I disagree on that, yeah maybe their weaknesses don't compensate for their strengths...but you been given hand ur dealt with and just gotta work those weaknesses around u...as a zwei user my main issue is he has to do alot of damn guessing to be very successful with especially against the more better rounded chars in the game. But if i was a leixia main or aeon and raph main well I wouldn't give a shit if I was using the worst char in the game, because I have fun with that char....and i know the challenges I face when I use my char so...meh all I wanted to say.
 
@Zero and Seditious I'm in full agreement that 1B is the go to for mix ups in open space or infinite stages but letting you opponent AC away and still getting the guaranteed must block of FC3B has helped me make up the damage difference in more then a few rounds by getting them closer to a wall on guard burst. 4A+B, W!, AA BE, 3B, W!, 4BB/BB (enders leave them standing for a mix up between Mid/Grab with back still facing the wall. You know where B+G is actually scary lol.) is much better than getting the regular 8B+K, BTB+K, 33BB had they just went up then down in the same spot.

I know my opponent could just AC over me every time but the character is built around mix ups so that isn't anything new. I'm sure she has a way to stop the AC over her. Maybe just 6A? Idk my boyfriend hasn't full researched this setup enough where I would have to know yet.

I feel like the Keep It Simple Approach that most players use for every character isn't gonna work for shawty. I think the more complex a situation Leixia can force on her opponent the better the outcome for her.
 
"No, No! No, No! No, No!"

I'm here to say something: our buff will come, yes, but only in the next game.

Thank you.
 
"No, No! No, No! No, No!"

I'm here to say something: our buff will come, yes, but only in the next game.

Thank you.

For some reason.. I feel like there won't be a next game, because of the review from fans and the hate.. Just as skeptic.
 
For some reason.. I feel like there won't be a next game, because of the review from fans and the hate.. Just as skeptic.

I'm fairly sure there will be a sequel. Just don't expect it to be announced until at least late 2014.
 
They usually take 4 years so maybe 2015.. Unless like SCV they rush into it.

For some reason, I seriously doubt a sequel as well. Heard the game sold no copies.

They should just say F it, and try to expand the roster on the next game. Make something like SC: Chronicles, and bring back all the styles they still have rights to use who aren't impeded by storyline, finish the custom character styles from 3 and introduce them as new styles after replacing the moves that resemble counterparts, bring in new characters like Salia, and add stories for all of these characters. Even further, since the game would incorporate successors, and their older teachers, it'd be very easy to sell tag team.

Taki - Natsu
Kilik - Xiba
Patroklos - Pyrrha

etc etc

So on so forth. Tag would be an easy sell. And then have the custom character style revamps have a similar thing going on between compatible duos.
 
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