1.03 Tier List Discussion (aka Argument)

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We got two votes! Any more? XD

In all seriousness, that is crazy that he can pick up with a kick and still ring someone out.

Ivy has a long reach I say we ban her for it.

I also say we ban Zas just because no one will ever use him in a tourney anyways.

Ban Mina too just because I don't like her and she's ugly.

These are my opinions yours don't matter. :)
 
Nightmare isn't the only character who can ring you out from lying down.

Amy immediately comes to mind... (and I'm pretty sure there's more as well)
 
Kilik is #1 by far. Setsuka is a honorable 2nd although Voldo and Hilde may want to have some words with her.

It's really nitpicking, she is top tier in 1.03 no question about it.

So Angrel I guess you've given up on Yoshi? He could have words with everyone you named up there easily! Cept kilik I will agree he is top but I dont think hes better than yoshi I just think his game is fitted to play against yoshi very well....
 
Rock can ring you out for lying down.
(if he makes you fall at the proper angle, is not too many degrees too far on the side, is close enough to grab, quick enough to grab, the camera doesn't glitch, both are at the proper angle from the edge, both are at the proper distance from the edge, and the ragdoll either guesses wrong or does not attempt to break the throw at all and does not spam the appropriate button by sheer stupidity.)

BAM! Top tier.
 
Rock can ring you out for lying down.
(if he makes you fall at the proper angle, is not too many degrees too far on the side, is close enough to grab, quick enough to grab, the camera doesn't glitch, both are at the proper angle from the edge, both are at the proper distance from the edge, and the ragdoll either guesses wrong or does not attempt to break the throw at all and does not spam the appropriate button by sheer stupidity.)

BAM! Top tier.

!!!!BAM!!!!

We heard it first
 
I hate Yoday only because A.) You cant throw him B.) I use highs sometimes because im forgetful =p and C.) I cant combo him.......given all I have to do is use my REF stance, Go to Flea, and run around the ring until Yoda gets tired of chasing me, but where is the fun in that? n_n
 
I hate Yoday only because A.) You cant throw him B.) I use highs sometimes because im forgetful =p and C.) I cant combo him.......given all I have to do is use my REF stance, Go to Flea, and run around the ring until Yoda gets tired of chasing me, but where is the fun in that? n_n

That sounds fun! I like to A+KB with Setsuka it's so funny stupid gremlin.
 
ah really? 236KK?

Well 236k:a but yeah, I think that's what he was talking about.

And Angrel, Kilik for #1? A character with horrible punishment game and lacking dangerous mixups outside of "do asura or don't do asura?"

You COULD make an argument for an extremely defensive, roachy Kilik to be top 5 material, but putting him as #1 is just blatantly ignoring his flaws.
 
And Angrel, Kilik for #1? A character with horrible punishment game and lacking dangerous mixups outside of "do asura or don't do asura?"

You COULD make an argument for an extremely defensive, roachy Kilik to be top 5 material, but putting him as #1 is just blatantly ignoring his flaws.


I agree with you most definately Kilik is not #1 but he doesn't have good mixups outside of asura? He doesn't have any crazy lows that lead to combos but the ones that matter are safe (2A for example). He's got an awesome throw game and good mids to stop you from ducking. I think Kilik is top 5 easy.

I think his mixups are fine. Its just the punishment problem that keeps him from being no.1
 
Why msut we ban the star wars characters? I don't see why we should. Also, can someone fix the list to redo some of the spots like algol shouldn't be there, and etc.

Talim low :(

SK mid :)
 
Why must we ban the star wars characters? I don't see why we should.

Yoda's only advantage is his height. Other than that, he sucks. Starkiller is just plain broken. His throws are way to strong, he's about as fast as Raphael or Maxi and his Force attacks really don't help either. As for Vader, I really don't see the problem. He's slow, and he's not that powerful.
 
Yoda's only advantage is his height. Other than that, he sucks. Starkiller is just plain broken. His throws are way to strong, he's about as fast as Raphael or Maxi and his Force attacks really don't help either. As for Vader, I really don't see the problem. He's slow, and he's not that powerful.

What game are YOU playing where Maxi and Raph are considered "fast?"
 
Yoda's only advantage is his height. Other than that, he sucks. Starkiller is just plain broken. His throws are way to strong, he's about as fast as Raphael or Maxi and his Force attacks really don't help either. As for Vader, I really don't see the problem. He's slow, and he's not that powerful.

No dude star killer isn't broken. He not even that fast for god sake also. He pretty much mid tier right now as it stand, and you can break thsoe grabs dude. Also Starkiller has many problems with high/top tier characters, so Sk is really "broken" as you say it.
 
What game are YOU playing where Maxi and Raph are considered "fast?"

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I found this thread when I was looking on gamefaqs.com. I was searching for I tier-list with at least some…decent discussion.

I want to…add something to the tier-list based on what I have seen during ranked online play. I am relatively new to Soul Calibur IV but I have played/seen over 500 matches(ranked and other serious play) and I don’t agree with some parts of this tier-list.
I also do not posses the skill ‘Basic English’ so I ‘m trying to make the best of it.

I haven’t read all the 20 pages by the way.

I will write a short opinion about all the characters in order of the current tier-list on page one. Then I will write a tier-list as I think it should be. I haven’t seen much of some characters because most people choose Mitsurugi or Kilik online, but I have played as and against all of the characters.
I main Taki so maybe she has more trouble with other characters than, in example, Nightmare.


Cassandra: I think she should be one tier lower due to short range. She’s still very quick but I don’t get a feeling that she’s one of the best characters in the game. I haven’t seen any great combo’s or cheap moves that I couldn’t evade or block.

Sophitia: She’s easy to use. She doesn’t look fast(maybe because I use Taki) but her attacks mostly land earlier then yours. What if two players use Sophitia? Than again, I think she’s mostly annoying than skillfull.

Yoshimitsu: What a strange character. I have rarely seen a Yoshimitsu player but from what I know he can do some bizarre attacks. I’ll trust you on this one that he should be top tier.

Voldo: I was once destroyed by Voldo. He spammed a unblockable attack that has insane range and couldn’t be evaded with sidesteps because it auto-target the other player. Maybe I’m a n00b against Voldo but he could definitely be top-tier.

Algol: I have barely seen someone who uses Algol. I think he’s toptier because of his shootingskills?

Setsuka: I secretly like Setsuka, the way she fight that is. Despite that stupid umbrella and her non-armor look(I think you should fight with armor but that’s a story for another time). I tried to play as Setsuka but I don’t seem to do any combo’s or other things that require skill. I think she’s a difficult character and should be a tier lower.

Kilik: A easy character to use and has decent range and speed. I haven’t seen any Kilik players that are actually good though.

Mitsurugi: I hate this guy. Anyway, I think he should be top tier because of his strong and fast attacks.

Siegfried: Long range and not that slow. He’s on the right tier I believe.

Amy: She’s short and very fast. Despite her short range she is a easy character to use and can use some annoying stun-combo’s.

X: Who the hell is this?

Hilde: Are you joking? She should be mid tier at max because she’s slow and her sword/lance style doesn’t work out all great. Her lance attacks can mostly be evaded.

Cervantes: He should be top tier. He can do a stuncombo wich will damage 40% of your healtbar when it’s full. Maybe you can prevent that combo or escape during it but I have not seen that happening.

Taki: Should definitely go up a tier. She can match the speed with Amy/Sophitia etc.(I know). Can ring-out people quick and has decent range.

Lizardman: Have seen lizardman only once online and ranked. I don’t like the sword and shield style(or axe and shield) and he isn’t as fast as Cassandra. But I could be wrong about him/it.

Ivy: Could be a tier up because she has a lot of grab attacks or attack-throws. She is slow though but has decent range.

The Apprentice: Same as lizardman, he looks like a mix of Yun and Taki but he doesn’t seem to have any great attacks or combo’s. Atleast, not that I have seen.

Raphael: Why is he bottom mid? Not as fast as Amy but could still do quick attacks and combo’s.

Nightmare: Should not be bottom mid. He’s almost the same as Siegfried. Great range and damage.

Tira: I rarely see Tira on ranked online matches. I think she isn’t good but you could win with Tira because she fights…differently than most characters. Element of surprise.

Astaroth: Should be at least one tier up because of his insane range and damage.

Maxi and Yun: They are both quick but most of their attacks can be blocked without a great difficult. I was still destroyed by both of them once but that could be just me.

Zalasamel: I don’t agree with him being bottom tier. He has some quick attacks despite his great scythe. He can do some combo’s(or more) and it’s difficult(for me) to see where his attacks will land(up, mid, low).

Mina: If I look back at Soul Calibur 2, she was quite good…now she is much slower and also slower than Kilik.

Talim: Very short range but could be a tier up.

Rock: I once was chaingrabbed 16 times when playing against Rock. He can throw you when you are on the ground and when you land, he can throw you again. I don’t know how to escape this because I only have seen this once but if you can evade this…than what will Rock do?

Vader: He can do a weird block-counter move but if you know this than you can do much more damage to him than he will ever do to you. Oh, and he’s SLOW.

Yoda: I don’t even want to talk about this guy. No offence to people who like Star Wars.

This is what I know at the moment. I could be wrong about some characters because I haven’t seen them a lot on ranked play. Maybe you could show me some examples?

So here’s my tierlist:

Top: Sophie, Cervy, Mitsu, Voldo, Algol.

Upper: Cass, Kilik, Yoshi, Seig, Amy, X, Taki, Setsuka.

Mid: Lizardman, Ivy, Apprentice, Nightmare, Asta, Raph.

Bottom Mid: Zas, Raph, Tira, Maxi, Yun..

Low: Vader, Yoda, Rock, Talim.


I play the game on the PS3. My PS3 account is ‘Reffy2’. You can always add me and show me how wrong I am if I’m wrong. But beating just me isn’t going to say much about the characters. Remember, I’m not a great SC4 player, I am…fine.
This is just what I think of the characters and I want to know what other people think about the current tier-list.

As I said, I wrote short explanations about the characters.
 
Your evaluations are really, really, really bad. While I agree Cassandra is not top tier those are definitly not my reasons. I think it's pointless to explain that you clearly don't know the basic playstyle of half these characters and instead base it on online which is bad. Zas is slow, weak, and unsafe....bottom, bottom, bottom. Rock's ground throws are escapable just like any other throw so he doesn't have to much in his favor. I say play player matches you will find people that actually know how to use the characters and it will help you get a more realistic tier list.

Also you have clearly never fought a good Hilde. Once you do I think you will come to your own conclusion as to why people consider her top tier now.
 
Rock's ground throws are escapable just like any other throw so he doesn't have to much in his favor.

His ground throws are escapable, however, when they are broken the opponent is still on the ground and Rock is at a substantial frame advantage. They are WAY better than Astaroth's ground grabs.
 
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