Defecting SC players

[Kai_lombax]

I just don't understand what the people who dropped or quit or sold SCV are still doing here bringing the mood down. Especially people who have no connections with the actual community whatsoever. I actually respect your opinions, just stop rubbing it in people's faces and if you're done with the game go away already.

Not everyone in this thread dropped the game completely. Some are just on a hiatus per say.

 

[Kai_lombax]

I don't know why some of you guys give SCV so much shit. These other fighting games that are out there are ass.

I don't really mean by what you meant on your second sentence but if I may ask, what other fighting games do you consider "ass"?

 

[Donutman]

I don't really mean by what you meant on your second sentence but if I may ask, what other fighting games do you consider "ass"?

Shaq Fu.
There you go shittiest fighting game on the planet
And also from what i've been told but i dont know for sure because i havent played it but i heard DOA4 was garbage

 

[lightcycle]

I don't know why some of you guys give SCV so much shit. These other fighting games that are out there are ass.

There is some truth to this statement. the reason I'm not defecting just yet is that SC5. while having lots of issues, is still the closest thing to a Soul Calibur game with decent online play we have.
Still I must say that some posting in this thread seem to be stuck in november 2011, when SC5 was gonna be the perfect game with precise balance, new and fresh characters, and an exciting story. I'm sad to say that now it's september 2012. there is one character banned in some countries, a few characters considered unviable, a very weak and disappointing character roster and more or less no story.
I don't know if a Super SC5 is in the works, but at this point, looking at both gameplay and graphics/design, I would prefer a Super SC4 instead. Just bring the netcode up to modern standards, maybe increase stepping speed a bit, and if possible improve CaS a bit, then I would be set.

 

[Malice]

I just don't understand what the people who dropped or quit or sold SCV are still doing here bringing the mood down.

Because they don't have anywhere else to go and don't play anything else, at least competitively.

I don't really mean by what you meant on your second sentence but if I may ask, what other fighting games do you consider "ass"?

The ones I just spent $120 on. I play every fighting game that comes out and the new ones that came out are either dead, not for me, or actually have fatal flaws in them. But try these other games out for yourself and come to your own conclusion.

I'm just not going to waste my time worrying about people who stop playing SCV or grieving about stuff I can't change. Either play the game or play something else.

Side note: Keysona is in the French SCV tournament on Saturday which has 39 entrants. There's still plenty of life in this game for the people that want to keep playing.

 

[Solo]

I don't really mean by what you meant on your second sentence but if I may ask, what other fighting games do you consider "ass"?

Tekken is just twitching around to me. Oh and try finding a match in DoA5. Lol

 

[Kai_lombax]

Tekken is just twitching around to me. Oh and try finding a match in DoA5. Lol

I like Tekken but not so much Tekken 6 when they turned it into a juggling circus. lol I mean, I know the game has always had juggling but the 6th one really over exaggerated it. And I haven't played DOA5 yet.

Shaq Fu.
There you go shittiest fighting game on the planet
And also from what i've been told but i dont know for sure because i havent played it but i heard DOA4 was garbage

I never heard of Shaq Fu but the name alone give me some uneasiness. And with DOA4, I've only played it alittle of it so I can't give a comment on that. I have played DOA2 & 3 though and they were okay but the combat was too simplistic what with the excessive counters. Hmm if I had to think of a fighting game I thought was bad, I'd choose Mortal Kombat Armageddon, that game's fighting engine felt like it was clunky as heck haha.

Because they don't have anywhere else to go and don't play anything else, at least competitively.



The ones I just spent $120 on. I play every fighting game that comes out and the new ones that came out are either dead, not for me, or actually have fatal flaws in them. But try these other games out for yourself and come to your own conclusion.

I already have my own opinions on other fighting games. I'm a fighting game fan and give all a chance and the only fighting game(s) I never got into were Street Fighter & King of Fighters (except the 3D one, i liked that one).

I'm just not going to waste my time worrying about people who stop playing SCV or grieving about stuff I can't change. Either play the game or play something else.

No one said you had to worry about them. If you are having fun then just focus on that.


This is why I don't understand why people who enjoy the game are looking in this thread. They most likely know what the comments are going to be like. :l

 

[damn-I-Suck]

Nah brah. What was stated is that SC1-4 are imbalanced and even the developers agree. You're stating that opinions and sales make games better. Based on this logic, Call of Duty is the best game ever made.

If you were using the logic presented to you instead of taking disagreement as a slight against you, you would most likely agree. Or at the very least, you wouldn't be moving to "I like this and it sold better so you're wrong about the balance" and be able to tolerate people having differing opinions instead of demanding they agree with you.

Like you said, we've all got different opinions on things and that's perfectly fine. But our opinions don't trump facts, no matter how much we relish them.

Oh hey, I think Tool makes incredibly awesome music. Doesn't change the fact that their concerts are all prerecorded.

You don't like SCV. Doesn't change the fact that's it's probably the most well-balanced game in the series.

Completely missed the point of my post. Oh well lets try to address that.

I DO like sc5, all I was doing was stating that I completely understand why others don't, mostly the mechanical changes. Even if I hate the sc5 mechanics, I still consider it a decent game. I'll take the good with the bad.

I was arguing the point that "the developers consider sc1-4 a failure". How can they consider it a failure when sc4 sold better? The more money they make, the more namco invests in them, the better the games they make in the future. Think of it this way, if PS pleases the Boss-man, they get more attention from them.

Balance I totally agree on. I can't speak for sc1 (never played it), but sc2-4 had some pretty serious balance issues (like IVY being borderline OP in almost all games). So from that perspective, yeah sc5 is better. The thing is though, balance only matters to the very best players, which are only like .01 % of the fanbase.

 

[Donutman]

I like Tekken but not so much Tekken 6 when they turned it into a juggling circus. lol I mean, I know the game has always had juggling but the 6th one really over exaggerated it.

youtube(dot)com/watch?v=Z6H1AU49TDO copy and paste this one since embdded dont work on this one

BECUASE OLDAH TEKKUNT GAYMZ HAD SO MUCH BEEETAH BALANZE THEN TEKKUN SIICKS TEKKUHN 6 SUX BECUZ I CANT DO MAH EASYMODE 100% COMBOEZ I HAVE TO WORK HARDAH WAAAAAAH.
Seriously you people give the older tekken games WAAAY too much credit. Don't get me wrong I love the older games (3 is my favorite) but if you guys think that older tekken games had better balance than 6 or tag 2 then the only conclusion i can come to is this: YOU ARE HIGH ON SOMETHING, COCAINE IS ONE HELLUVA DRUG, say no to drugs kids.

 

[Nine-L]

I didn't read sixteen pages of this because I'm too busy still playing SCV. Uh-oh, Nine-L's on his painkillers again with no sleep. Here goes:

People who drop this game in favor of... any other current gen fighter are just too far gone to warrant my concern. In my view, it's akin to divorcing Ghandi to shack up with Chris Brown. SCV is provably the best fighter out right now, if you rate fighting games based on balance, depth of metagame and character individualization.

You also have to keep in mind that most people who stopped playing this game in favor of another title did so probably for no reason other than "SCV is nine months old and new game is new!"

There's also a completely reasonable lack of enthusiasm. Nothing new is going to happen for this game, it seems. And being the best fighter on the market right now is a nice distinction, but that doesn't make it a GREAT game. It's incomplete, buggy, a couple characters are just stupidly strong (+1 for infinites) and a handful are weak enough to make their situations Ol'-Yeller-sad.

But that's neither here nor there. This is pretty standard. The game is almost a year old, so yeah, the only people still playing it now are the ones that really love it. Every game gets an artificial boost/honeymoon period from the flavor of the month crowd.

Now, if we could just get ONE more patch to address even half the issues (mainly focusing on killing the infinite and otherwise reducing the "ugh, bullshit" factor this game can throw at you sometimes), you could probably get some sort boost to the competitive scene. The ball IS in Namco/PS's court for that one though. No truly LARGE group of people will be hyped for a game with the kind of wonky ass technical issues and balance issues this game brings to the table. A small to medium size group of people, yes, definitely. But get used people on the outside to be looking in at you like the dorks who inexplicably enjoy this game.

I dumped A LOT of money into this game. A lot. Granted, apparently dumping money directly into the developers wallet isn't as valuable in terms of supporting a game as playing it in public, but there's no scene near me and I have personal commitments (and a serious lack of a motor vehicle) that make travel largely impossible. So I did what I could, and I hope against hope against reality that I will be given another opportunity to drop more money into the Soulcalibur pit. It's worth it to me.

Seriously, there are many factors to consider here, I outlined a good deal of them above, but the best hope for this game's longevity is just one, just ONE more patch to fix the really GLARING problems. DLC characters, also nice. I understand that this is basically an impossibility since that stuff has to be planned and it sort of obviously wasn't, but HOLY SHIT did that ever keep MK9 hype as fuck. And that game is a gas station toilet filled with AIDS and freshly clubbed baby seals compared to SCV.

TL;DR version: 1) The game is (in the most relativistic sense) old, experienced natural drop off in playerbase. 2) If everyone on this website attended whatever SCV tournament was closest to them ASAP, it wouldn't convince anybody who defected to comeback to it and it probably wouldn't cause too many people to give it it's first shot because buggy game is buggy.

 

[JustinAkatsuki]

Not everyone in this thread dropped the game completely. Some are just on a hiatus per say.

Um I did...no point of me being here, just gonna go away now.

 

[Donutman]

. SCV is provably the best fighter out right now, if you rate fighting games based on balance, depth of metagame and character individualization.

LOLWAT, you dont many other fighting games do you? Dont get me wrong I like SCV, but theres far better balanced current gen fighters.Blazblue CS Extend of KOF13 would like a word with you

 

[Nine-L]

LOLWAT, you dont many other fighting games do you? Dont get me wrong I like SCV, but theres far better balanced current gen fighters.Blazblue CS Extend of KOF13 would like a word with you

KoF XIII loses out in comparison with depth of metagame and character individualization. It's also a team fighter, so it sucks. Can't speak to balance because I haven't touched this series since Katsuhiro Otomo got really butthurt about his intellectual property rights and proceeded to ruin the series for me. Then I turned 11.

And as a Guilty Gear player/man of taste, I generally forget BlazBlue exists. It also doesn't have the meta depth that SCV does. Character individualization is more or less on on par with SC either. You have some cool ones like Arakune (still my favorite design of any fighting game character, desperately wish he was in a not-so-lame game), Lambda, Mu, Hazama, Relius/Carl, and the rest are just 2D anime fighter rush monkeys and a grappler. I'll agree that it's probably better balanced since it's an Arc game and Accent Core was their only failure of balance ever... Well, the first two BlazBlue games failed there too.

When you average out those three criteria, SCV comes out on top. And all my statements about it's balance in this sense disregard Viola. As far as I'm concerned, she's about as legitimate as Devil Jin until that infinite gets patched out, which will be never. Forgetting her, the top tier in this game is... Oh, I (and 90% of other players) would probably say Patsuka, Mitsurugi and Cervantes... That's a very manageable top tier. This game's real balance problems fall on the ZWEIs, Lizardmans, Raphaels and Dampierres. This game has some seriously next level trash tier going on.

 

[Malice]

No one said you had to worry about them. If you are having fun then just focus on that.

Of course I am not worried about them, but that's the whole premise of this thread. My point is that this thread is no different from all the previous ones with people grieving about something with SCV. Same shit, different thread.

This is why I don't understand why people who enjoy the game are looking in this thread. They most likely know what the comments are going to be like. :l

The same could be said to people who don't enjoy the game and why we need to see thread after thread of negativity. My point is that the people who actually defected from this game did so months ago. We're just rehashing the same stuff we already know, nor is there any point in finding out why casual players quit the game because casual players are expected to quit the game for something else anyway.

 

[Wandrian]

I was arguing the point that "the developers consider sc1-4 a failure". How can they consider it a failure when sc4 sold better? The more money they make, the more namco invests in them, the better the games they make in the future. Think of it this way, if PS pleases the Boss-man, they get more attention from them.

developer=/=publisher

As has been stated plenty of times by now, this is another case where the publisher strongarmed the development team(amidst a fucking nuclear tsunami and power outages at that) and forced a product out the door before it could be completed. We've been through this enough times already. Bamco fucked it up themselves and decided not to spend more than $4.28 in advertising(four dollars and twenty-eight cents) for it in favor of focusing exclusively on TTT2s console port.

Want someone to blame for it? Blame the people responsible for it. Bamco management and shareholders.

 

[JDub]

I'm a casual player. I'm expected to quit the game? Not happening.

Disregarding people's opinions because they don't play tournaments, or geek it up as much as the next person is closed-minded and at odds with reality. Amateur astronomers make discoveries and the scientific community doesn't tell them it doesn't count because they don't go to the conventions. Diminishing someone who enjoys a game as a hobby is a good way to contribute to defection rates. Elitist mentalities are a good contribution to defection rates. Why would the most successful people at a game want to sabotage the popularity of that game? I don't see professional athletes mocking back-yard players. Some of the statements I see made around here by prominent members of the community toward those of a lesser skill level are just down right spiteful. I hope, when you're tossing around the football in the backyard on Thanksgiving, that an actual NFL quarterback shows up and tells you you're not appreciated as a fan, enthusiast or hobbyist. If you don't play in the league you should have no opinion, and if you do it's meaningless and likely ignorant. There's got to be a better way for us as a community to interact regardless of skill level or popularity. And I call everyone on 8WR part of the community whether they play in tournaments or just play GC. We're a group of people gathering to interact over a common interest. If that's not a community I don't know what is. So, cheers to the community! Have fun until you don't then find another way to have fun! What ever makes you happy.

 

[jtdam09]

Quite a few people just want to play other fighting games, because they are fighting game fans in general. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course I will be playing DOA5 and Tekken Tag Tournament 2, regardless of Tekken being too "juggle-dependent" now.

 

[ChaosK]

tekken videos snip

Damn, those are nasty. It makes SCVs dmg output look low. How can full life combos be THAT short lol.

 

[optymuss]

I feel like we are going in circles with this thread

 

[Age_of_Truth]

snip.

Hardcore players in general (but not all of them) can give casual players a hard time, especially because hardcore players who look down on casuals will tend to say so, whereas hardcore players who respect casual players rarely have any incentive or opportunity to stick up for them (outside of puerile ass-kissing).

Most of the attitude is unjustified. But also there are some times when players are trying to talk about something about advanced play, and the discussion can get side-tracked when weaker players who lack a similar level of expertise start making claims as if they're on the same level. There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone contributing to a discussion per se, no matter their level, but it can get frustrating when that player assumes that their contribution is of equal value just because. It MAY be useful or interesting, but there is a higher chance that it is not very helpful than something put forward by a better player.

The reason one player is better than another is almost always because the better player fundamentally understands some things about the fight better than the weaker player. Reactions come into play, but all other aspects, including reads, strategy etc. are based on the player's understanding of how to play the game.

Understanding =/= knowledge by the way. There is a lot more to the game than frames and spacing. But there are no (or mostly negligible) physical limitations to playing - it doesn't help being faster, or stronger, or better at controlling the pad. Playing the game is all about choices, and players who understand the game better will, over the course of a fight, MM, tournament or whatever, make better choices that give them a better chance of winning.

But the attitude is often completely unjustified. For a start, where do you draw the line between casual and pro? Many players who've looked up some frame data think they are on the elite level. Many players on this site think they are an expert player, in a group with players on their level or better, and anyone below them is not. So you end up with players who think they know the game better than they actually do, and more often than not it is these players who dismiss weaker players as casual players whose input doesn't matter.

Anyway, all this aside, I don't get why this thread is here. To those defectors: if you've moved on, move on! I am pretty tired of the 100s of daily posts which include the words "I quit the game some time ago, but...". Just quit and leave, or man up and accept that you like the game and are playing it. If you're not playing it, why are you trolling these forums?