If there was a Soul Calibur VI, prequel/sequel/reboot/retcon?

WuHT said:
Why would the hero of the game and soul calibur both adopt the fighting moveset of the character least relevant to the plot? Maybe its a twisted sense of japanese irony.
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In the end of the day, few characters had a big influence in the story, Mitsurugi itself was irrelevant until he battles with Algol which is another character that had importance before appearing but after his first time around " he no longer have any relevance, Setsuka allowed Mitsurugi to be still alive so...this argument in particular is not a very solid one.
 
DevilsDisguise said:
Setsuka was a special case because she is most likely portuguese (Natsu as well possibly) which did trade with japan around that time (from what I read sometime ago) and was orphaned and adopted by a colourblind parental figure native to japan who named her in respects to her new life. However, Pat is Greek, his entire conception and family history is heavily attached to their greek beliefs (despite being very subtly shown in SC games) it doesn't make any sense for him to have real ties with Setsuka. If anything Setsuka would have a more believable attachment to Natsu. I honestly think it was just written in to fill in why hes just using her moveset. I could accept Sesuka fighting him and telling him how to change his morale but her weapon being his "true" weapon is rediculous enough.
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now Ive read everything.

Youre splitting hairs here homes. You should just make your own fighting game. Cause Im sure like 10 people would buy it!
 
DevilsDisguise said:
Cultural affiilation should be what ties characters together. Setsuka was a special case because she is most likely portuguese (Natsu as well possibly) which did trade with japan around that time (from what I read sometime ago) and was orphaned and adopted by a colourblind parental figure native to japan who named her in respects to her new life. However, Pat is Greek, his entire conception and family history is heavily attached to their greek beliefs (despite being very subtly shown in SC games) it doesn't make any sense for him to have real ties with Setsuka. If anything Setsuka would have a more believable attachment to Natsu. I honestly think it was just written in to fill in why hes just using her moveset. I could accept Sesuka fighting him and telling him how to change his morale but her weapon being his "true" weapon is rediculous enough.
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Despite the bs on story with characters and so called cultural affiliations, you confuse me with more bs logic.

How do you know for a fact that Setsuka might have some Portuguese in her? Do you sit and look at history books and use them as source to your argument here?

I'm just baffled here. The only thing I know is Pat thinks about justice and his family a lot more than say cultural affiliation. If Cassy broke that SC sword in her non-canonical ending and said "screw you gods for ruining my sis" that's enough of an argument that Pat(aka a more aggressive Cassy except male) wouldn't give two shits about is he Greek or not like Cassy.

The only thing that I could agree on is Alpha Pat getting a different fighting style and Natsu just getting Setsuka's style. At least it'd look cool on Natsu if Taki style 2.0 wasn't cool enough already.
 
KokoYoshi said:
Despite the bs on story with characters and so called cultural affiliations, you confuse me with more bs logic.How do you know for a fact that Setsuka might have some Portuguese in her? Do you sit and look at history books and use them as source to your argument here?
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Might be Portuguese. Your argument is her being white right? I gave you my response to that rationilizing how it isnt so farfetched.

KokoYoshi said:
I'm just baffled here. The only thing I know is Pat thinks about justice and his family a lot more than say cultural affiliation. If Cassy broke that SC sword in her non-canonical ending and said "screw you gods for ruining my sis" that's enough of an argument that Pat(aka a more aggressive Cassy except male) wouldn't give two shits about is he Greek or not like Cassy..
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Thats thier personality not their character. If I My biological parents Chinese but I was obessed with Hip hop Music, I'd still be chinese.
IdleMind said:
Whether it sounds right or not, that is what happened. Maybe you should not be so zealous in your assumptions in the future.
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Whats the evidence that says they were intending to do this from the start? A.Pat was one of the last characters revealed around the time where people were asking for setsuka moveset wise.
 
I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but I do know that this stuff is likely focus grouped and whatever plans are made by developers can get changed by marketers. So, I can say popular characters will stay, unpopular ones will be booted or re-worked for appeal and new characters will come on too gimmicky and non too subtly.
 
JDub said:
I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but I do know that this stuff is likely focus grouped and whatever plans are made by developers can get changed by marketers. So, I can say popular characters will stay, unpopular ones will be booted or re-worked for appeal and new characters will come on too gimmicky and non too subtly.
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This is not necessarily true. In Tekken, people bitched for 3 games (10+ years) for Kunimitsu and Jun to come back. They made it back in a non-canon side-game, TTT2. Popularity is not the be-all end all over a creators will, or a project's vision.
 
Make a sequel of the game to return all the old characters and add more new ones to make up for the last game.

Or....

go to a reboot with a sensible story
 
DevilsDisguise said:
Might be Portuguese. Your argument is her being white right? I gave you my response to that rationilizing how it isnt so farfetched.
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You're literally being anal on something while your head is stuck inside your ass. It doesn't matter how much info you put, it has to silence my questions.

That being said, my argument is simply how do you know? Obviously with you saying might and drawing conclusions shows in my eyes you're just trying to play Mr. know-it-all. You didn't even put up evidence, you just say Nuh-uh to people who don't find your reasoning good with a bunch of decorated words.
 
I don't know what the hell is up with Daishi's superiors, but it's time for another Soul Edge title; we have had too many Soul Calibur titles for now.
I see people wondering how could they go forward with the story, what to do about Setsuka, etc. So, if the ending in SCV is cannon, both swords were destroyed, but I think we know they will reappear somewhere in the world. Maybe in some ancient American civilization, and finally have an American character.
I think Zasalamel could reappear to search for shards of the swords for his plans. He could enlist Setsuka to help carry out his plans. Setsuka? Yes, time travel is the answer, and reading All New X-men (and the welcoming reception the plot is getting), it's a good way to bring back some old favorites. With his magick Zasalamel can travel to astral chaos and from there go back in time to find a Setsuka that's on the verge of her rage, and offer her a chance to kill a weakened and old Mitsurugi in exchange for her services. She's always saying she live only for revenge, so I don't see her saying no to Zasalamel.
I think some sort of rivalry, enmity between Ivy and Zasalamel could be interesting, both immortals, both magick users. Trying to stop the other from getting the soul swords.

DevilsDisguise said:
It bothers me greatly knowing how much the writing directors have been negligent in the performance of their duties here. At most the anime cliches would be drastically dropped if the characters at least consistantly spoke with the dialect they should be under within the time frame. Natsu just opened my eyes showing me how bad its getting. I would have liked more poetic speech used by all the characters to reflect that this isnt modern day and remind us how intelligent peopled used to be. I miss the days where I needed a dictionary right beside my controller. They need to consider actually doing more with the lore and recreate the presumptuous atmosphere. Nightmare and Dampierre seemed to be the only characters really paying attention these days.
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While I don't miss the days where I needed a dictionary for my games (English is not my native language), I would prefer it if characters spoke more in a way like you called it poetic speech. Yes, I don't think Natsu' way of talking befits that era.
 
Portuguese traders frequented Japan(so much as one can "frequent" a land on the opposite side of a planet in the 1500s at least) at the times all but the most recent entry in the Soulcalibur series take place*. Tanegashima muskets(the kind that Mitsurugi despised until he decided he was the god of war) were carbon copies of Portuguese muskets. Setsuka could be of Portuguese origins, but claiming that she is is still jumping to conclusions without anything solid supporting it. But it's all good. We've all got our own theories about characters with mysterious backgrounds(Tira is the goddess of death for example).


*SCV takes place during the earliest parts of the Tokugawa dynasty's multi-century reign, which basically took the most xenophobic stances ever and more or less made foreigners visiting Japan illegal without imperial permission. Not exactly, but close enough that Japan is off-limits for 99.9999999999% of people outside of Japan. One could also imply the Tokugawa regime's xenophobic attitude resulted in Setsuka being outright deported, but again no evidence.
 
IdleMind said:
This is not necessarily true. In Tekken, people bitched for 3 games (10+ years) for Kunimitsu and Jun to come back. They made it back in a non-canon side-game, TTT2. Popularity is not the be-all end all over a creators will, or a project's vision.
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Well part of that shows those characters have an audience and that only equals demand though ten years is a long time. (Hoping SC doesnt follow that frame) though it isnt a solid fact it does give the developers an idea of what strain of the content is most marketable and thats solely what Namco/Crapcom want regardless of what PS may plan to innovate.
KokoYoshi said:
You're literally being anal on something while your head is stuck inside your ass. It doesn't matter how much info you put, it has to silence my questions.That being said, my argument is simply how do you know? Obviously with you saying might and drawing conclusions shows in my eyes you're just trying to play Mr. know-it-all. You didn't even put up evidence, you just say Nuh-uh to people who don't find your reasoning good with a bunch of decorated words.
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It was speculation and I told you that first thing, what do want me to tell you? I can't compare actual history with these characters and conclude anything that would be reviewed for it's truth if PS doesn't care enough to specifify. Its just a more plausable scenario over the canon one with Pat.
AriesWarlock said:
I don't know what the hell is up with Daishi's superiors, but it's time for another Soul Edge title; we have had too many Soul Calibur titles for now.
I see people wondering how could they go forward with the story, what to do about Setsuka, etc. So, if the ending in SCV is cannon, both swords were destroyed, but I think we know they will reappear somewhere in the world.
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Would an alternate game work if it were based around the missing characters? I wonder.
 
DevilsDisguise said:
Well part of that shows those characters have an audience and that only equals demand though ten years is a long time. (Hoping SC doesnt follow that frame) though it isnt a solid fact it does give the developers an idea of what strain of the content is most marketable and thats solely what Namco/Crapcom want regardless of what PS may plan to innovate.
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The thing is, and many western fans tend to forget this, but the tastes of the JPN domestic audience are quite different from the western audience, and I can tell you for a fact that part of SC5's intention was to bring back the missing JPN fanbase that was devoid since SC2. They succeeded in that goal pretty wonderfully; and I don't see nearly the amount of complaining about missing characters coming from them. Just something to consider.
 
Hikari said:
In the end of the day, few characters had a big influence in the story,
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Thats not my point, and especially not the one you quoted.
Mitsurugi itself was irrelevant until he battles with Algol which is another character that had importance before appearing but after his first time around " he no longer have any relevance,
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Mitsurugi could exist as mitsurugi if the game does not have setsuka. What is setsuka without mitsurugi ? She is pretty much the only character not directly involved in either Soul Calibur or Soul Edge, and its clear that even Amy and Rock are more involved.
Setsuka allowed Mitsurugi to be still alive so...this argument in particular is not a very solid one.
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Its solid if you actually comprehend it.
 
WuHT said:
Thats not my point, and especially not the one you quoted.
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Then, what is your point?

WuHT said:
could exist as mitsurugi if the game does not have setsuka. What is setsuka without mitsurugi ? She is pretty much the only character not directly involved in either Soul Calibur or Soul Edge, and its clear that even Amy and Rock are more involved.
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So Setsuka could, give her any generic story and she will do just fine. (Considering that is this scenario she is in the game)

WuHT said:
Its solid if you actually comprehend it.
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That is not relevant, understanding something is not the same thing as being solid to the point that defends your point of view.
 
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