Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate

Finally 100%-ed a combo challenge. It was Momiji. My god, do your fingers have to do some gymnastics with her. Also, her DJ-P finishers are retarded on the later combos, where you have to hit them at just the right height... still, my new favorite ninja after 'Busa.
 
0VincentRayne0 said:
but i don't understand the difference between the blue challengers and the red ones.
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After a while of playing this, it seems to me that they are player indicators. Blue means you're on 1P side and red means you're on 2P side.
I could be wrong, but every time red showed up (and it wasn't "the other player cannot fight at this time" urrgh) I was on 2P side.

ed. Also, red seems to always start immediately, while blue takes a while (or may not start at all). I think it has something to do with being the host or not.

Being a cautious player means you're vulnerable to balls-out fullscreen run-up throw. Ridiculous >:[
 
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After playing day 1 Rachel for a while I don't see how she's broken.

She's quite linear and slow. H+K sucks for anti-step because of its terrible range so that leaves 4PP and 1PP, and of course 4PP is mid punch, like every other move in her arsenal...

The 2K force tech is great for mounting pressure. (Hella pressure.) But, that's only if the enemy decides to lie there or rising kick. If they tech, you succeeded in getting them up, but if you 2K you're left there whiffing (and the stomp doesn't always come out for me so I get the piddly little low kick's recovery, ew.) It ends up being a 50/50 (2K or no 2K?) and on the "no 2K" option I end up walking towards the opponent or using something ranged. (Rachel's walking animation is really slick though so I guess it evens things out.)

At least, this is how I understand it (nobody has answered me at FSD...!)
If it is a just frame, well I'll go throw myself off a cliff then.

PPT is inconsistent for me, it works great sometimes and then sometimes not at all. (I've been using 6KP followup.) I'm checking it in practice mode now and the dummy is blocking it, but I got the combo from the Ain video, so I wonder what's going on, is it me, is it online, is it practice dummy's special powers?

I will admit that if I had something that worked 100% PPT would be pretty gnarly. I've had people twitch duck it, and the CPU has dash turned to avoid my followup, but in practice most (all?) players are suckers and haven't figured it out (that is if my PP isn't getting crushed.)

2H+K is pretty cool but BBs aren't in this game. Well, it makes people panic, I suppose.

Playing against someone like Kasumi, suddenly I'm Astaroth. 1PP all day (of course that juice runs out eventually). Getting hit out of your advantage (that you have to work hard to set up!) really sucks and it feels like I'm on the defensive all the time. Maybe it's my inexperience but I think she will have problems with speedy characters (others have said it in the FSD topic, too).

Absolutely nobody is punishing 1PP so that's cool. Or maybe not...




If she is broken, well, she's not easy mode (as I've heard some people say). And trust me- as a lazy man who only bothered to learn super heavyweight combos for convenience, I know easy mode.
 
DrakeAldan said:
After playing day 1 Rachel for a while I don't see how she's broken.

She's quite linear and slow. H+K sucks for anti-step because of its terrible range so that leaves 4PP and 1PP, and of course 4PP is mid punch, like every other move in her arsenal...

The 2K force tech is great for mounting pressure. (Hella pressure.) But, that's only if the enemy decides to lie there or rising kick. If they tech, you succeeded in getting them up, but if you 2K you're left there whiffing (and the stomp doesn't always come out for me so I get the piddly little low kick's recovery, ew.) It ends up being a 50/50 (2K or no 2K?) and on the "no 2K" option I end up walking towards the opponent or using something ranged. (Rachel's walking animation is really slick though so I guess it evens things out.)

At least, this is how I understand it (nobody has answered me at FSD...!)
If it is a just frame, well I'll go throw myself off a cliff then.

PPT is inconsistent for me, it works great sometimes and then sometimes not at all. (I've been using 6KP followup.) I'm checking it in practice mode now and the dummy is blocking it, but I got the combo from the Ain video, so I wonder what's going on, is it me, is it online, is it practice dummy's special powers?

I will admit that if I had something that worked 100% PPT would be pretty gnarly. I've had people twitch duck it, and the CPU has dash turned to avoid my followup, but in practice most (all?) players are suckers and haven't figured it out (that is if my PP isn't getting crushed.)

2H+K is pretty cool but BBs aren't in this game. Well, it makes people panic, I suppose.

Playing against someone like Kasumi, suddenly I'm Astaroth. 1PP all day (of course that juice runs out eventually). Getting hit out of your advantage (that you have to work hard to set up!) really sucks and it feels like I'm on the defensive all the time. Maybe it's my inexperience but I think she will have problems with speedy characters (others have said it in the FSD topic, too).

Absolutely nobody is punishing 1PP so that's cool. Or maybe not...




If she is broken, well, she's not easy mode (as I've heard some people say). And trust me- as a lazy man who only bothered to learn super heavyweight combos for convenience, I know easy mode.
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PPT connects if you hit them in neutral or if they're just standing and blocking. Any other and the throw will whiff. The throw/flip itself is basically a reset. If you catch your opponent off guard, then you can easily launch them with a 9K, 6PP or (my personal favorite) 426+T, all of which put your opponent into the air which allows her to do her air throw and lead into her force tech game.

The thing about 2K force tech is that, even if it whiffs, Rachel is at frame advantage. Also, you can make it guaranteed by using certain juggle ender strings (tested on the CPU set to tech out, which should technically do so 1 frame before humans can according to Matt).
 
d3v said:
PPT connects if you hit them in neutral or if they're just standing and blocking. Any other and the throw will whiff.
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I know, I mean... There's nothing guaranteed from it, it's just a mixup?

"Combo" is supposed to mean "guaranteed" isn't it? :|

d3v said:
The thing about 2K force tech is that, even if it whiffs, Rachel is at frame advantage.
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Even if the animation is not the stomp, and just the generic 2K?

Here's an example, I put it on FSD too.


What are these enders anyway? If someone said them I must have missed them.


ed. I found it, 6PKP is incorrect, it's supposed to be just 6PK, and then the stomp comes out every time. Pretty sweet. I'll trade reliability for 9 damage.

There are others?



Arghhh! I could have won more today! ._.
 
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DrakeAldan said:
I know, I mean... There's nothing guaranteed from it, it's just a mixup?

"Combo" is supposed to mean "guaranteed" isn't it? :|
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Yes, it's not really a combo. It's just a quick way to put a blocking opponent in backturned state for easier launched.
DrakeAldan said:
Even if the animation is not the stomp, and just the generic 2K?
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Not sure about the non stomp 2K's frame advantage. That said, if they roll to the side, it'll still hit them.
DrakeAldan said:
What are these enders anyway? If someone said them I must have missed them.


ed. I found it, 6PKP is incorrect, it's supposed to be just 6PK, and then the stomp comes out every time. Pretty sweet. I'll trade reliability for 9 damage.

There are others?



Arghhh! I could have won more today! ._.
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Aside from 6PK, 3PP also works.
 
OK, thanks for the info. Well, at least I got some experience today.


I'd say, the worst thing about Core Fighters is that you can't check things in practice mode (because the characters are locked); at the same time, it forces you to figure stuff out in the field. There's a lot of trial-and-error and repeatedly getting hit by (obvious) things, but I do feel stronger for it (despite this not usually being the way I do things...)
 
DrakeAldan said:
OK, thanks for the info. Well, at least I got some experience today.


I'd say, the worst thing about Core Fighters is that you can't check things in practice mode (because the characters are locked); at the same time, it forces you to figure stuff out in the field. There's a lot of trial-and-error and repeatedly getting hit by (obvious) things, but I do feel stronger for it (despite this not usually being the way I do things...)
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Well, if you think about it, that's just like how it is in the arcade.
 
Something strange is goin on, ive pre-ordered dao5u from amazon and still no dlc code...and i hit them up..and still no response...dammit!
Anyone know if this is normal?
 
DrakeAldan said:
Before my time.


Being a pro must've cost a lot of money back then...
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I wonder if arcade players made fun of console players back then.. xD Thank god for consoles now! Save my quarters!

And good advice, I only got good at fighting games after I got beat a lot then eventually learned match-up strength, basically how to defend and punish things. I think a good defense is more important than a good offense in games like DOA.
 
Amanda said:
Something strange is goin on, ive pre-ordered dao5u from amazon and still no dlc code...and i hit them up..and still no response...dammit!
Anyone know if this is normal?
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Typical of preorder bonuses... Try to get a chat rep for Amazon and see if they can't give you the stuff, normally they'll give you this sort of thing right away.

Ishimaru Jinrai said:
I think a good defense is more important than a good offense in games like DOA.
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Strings. Strings everywhere...

So many gimmicks...
 
DrakeAldan said:
Typical of preorder bonuses... Try to get a chat rep for Amazon and see if they can't give you the stuff, normally they'll give you this sort of thing right away.


Strings. Strings everywhere...

So many gimmicks...
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I agree with this, GameStop fucked up my DoA5U preorder last week and I bitched and moaned to them about it until I got them to call Head Office and give me a DLC code. Naturally I got what I wanted. I need mah Pop Idol Ayane outfit! I suggest you do the same thing Amanda. The more pissed off you sound, the better! (I.e. Dealing with Sales People 101)

On a different note DoA doesn't feel like it has that many gimmicks until you fight a Brad, Hayate or Hayabusa. These dudes thrive on bullshitting you.
 
DrakeAldan said:
Before my time.


Being a pro must've cost a lot of money back then...
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Saving money was the biggest motivation to get better in the arcades for any game. This is why 1cc plays are standard in Japan even for casual players and credit feeding is looked down upon.
 
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