Frayhua
[14] Master
But there was no JG in SCIV and yet there were plenty of just frames( moves and perfect guard impact).
I know, but I thought you didn't like JFs & JIs.
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But there was no JG in SCIV and yet there were plenty of just frames( moves and perfect guard impact).
I know, but I thought you didn't like JFs & JIs.
JG can give asta a free grab attempt
The fact that asta has probably close to the best range in the game, great stepkillers, a good number of safe moves, the best grabs in the game, and some seriously high damage output, I don't know what you guys are complaining about.
Yeah he's weak to JG, doesn't have good punishers, and he's slow, but cmon you can't ask a character to be perfect.
Well no one can rely on JG alone. And being +17 is a huge frame advantage so idk what you're talking about. I'm just saying JG can help Asta dish out the massive damage he can do.i17 is not that fast after a jg.... Can´t rely on that.
that's hilarious XDYou just admitted your a scrub and this is why YOU say "Leixia is too weak" & banned Viola because YOU knew you could never beat a good Viola at EBO 2012 & EBO 2014.
Yeah which is why Itazan and Lolo aren't god like and haven't won anything, also complaining about whiffs on certain moves is just pointless bitching at this time. Every character has whiffing issues, that happens, I could probably name about 20-30 really fucking annoying whiffs for my main that actually hurt their gameplay and/or are hilariously unsafe .Let's not forget crappy ass movement, whiffs on certain moves, cannot get out of certain Oki setups due to being the biggest size, builds meter slowly, and flawed zoning.
In all seriousness, I still think Asta is a good character, but he is FAR from being perfect, and he is NOT tournament-friendly.
Don't even get me started on Xibas 6AK BEAsta's just a character that relies on oki, he's either kicking your ass or getting his ass kicked with very little in-between Yeah which is why Itazan and Lolo aren't god like and haven't won anything, also complaining about whiffs on certain moves is just pointless bitching at this time. Every character has whiffing issues, that happens, I could probably name about 20-30 really fucking annoying whiffs for my main that actually hurt their gameplay and/or are hilariously unsafe .
Well no one can rely on JG alone. And being +17 is a huge frame advantage so idk what you're talking about. I'm just saying JG can help Asta dish out the massive damage he can do.
That's not true at all. People can get away with things that they wouldn't if the opponent wasn't asta, so they are going to exploit that. Things such as launchers. Lets take my main for example, Xiba. He cannot interrupt 6BK and 6AK. So that means i can pressure him and only be -6 after it. Well with the magic of JG, I am now at -20 so there's a free grab attempt there.But you are only in rare cases +17 after a just gaurd. Most people at high level try to play as safe as possible so what can you do with Asta? Throws are too slow imo.
Having +12 frames of advantage is enough to force grab mixups, the opponent has no other option but to block high or low. Stepping is out of the question, Asta's grabs will fuck any step attempts, and I don't think Bullrush can be stepped at +12 either. Of course the issue is having the opponent duck your grab is always a bummer, but as you said, most people don't grab after a successful JG. With that in mind, most opponents aren't conditioned to duck after a JG, allowing one to take advantage of that.But who throws after just guard... No one does! i17 is still to slow in most cases and a grab is no real free damage. Asta can also come up with bullrush BE mix ups after moves like Xibas 6BK afaik. It´s higher risk and higher reward... At least I hit something. I do not know of a single Asta who is doing jg and grab after that as a viable tactic. Strange thing is I had this converastion some time ago here... Were you involved in it?
The word you're looking for is yomi. Astaroth's okizeme isn't a huge part of his game anymore (Though it was in 4).As I said he's character that relies almost entirely on Oki/Reads
Having +12 frames of advantage is enough to force grab mixups, the opponent has no other option but to block high or low. Stepping is out of the question, Asta's grabs will fuck any step attempts, and I don't think Bullrush can be stepped at +12 either. Of course the issue is having the opponent duck your grab is always a bummer, but as you said, most people don't grab after a successful JG. With that in mind, most opponents aren't conditioned to duck after a JG, allowing one to take advantage of that.
I'm not going to sit here and say JG is the be all end all of Asta tactics, because it isn't from him or any other character for that matter, but to act like he doesn't benefit much from it is really silly. Literally every character in the game benefits from frame advantage + Closed distance when said characters are pushing advantage and Asta is absolutely no different, and one can get extra advantage frames + closed distance easily through JG. I get your complaints, there have been plenty of times I'm sure you've lost solely because you were using Astaroth, but I'm also sure that there have been just as many times that you've only won because of your use of Asta.
As I said he's character that relies almost entirely on Oki/Reads, Astaroth really is a fucking beast but only as beast as the player. Jag you're a good player so I'm going to assume that Asta is at least high tier in your hands.
Edit: TL;DR JG is a good tactic to use and one should use it if they want to get the most out of Asta or any character