Ivy General Submissions for Discussion

ZeroEffect317 said:
Damn, I dunno man. I must've hurt a loved one of yours in a past life or some shit, lol. You've been taking petty shots at me since 2012 dude.
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The Talim Fanbase got Natsu nerfed for no reason, got Viola overbuffed, & most importantly spreading lies about Leixia saying she's worst than SCIV Talim.
 
Wardensc2 said:
How can you recognize the different between 2B+K and 2A+G which one require to stand block and one require to sit and guard.
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Yeah, really sucks that you have to guess what your opponent is going to do in a fighting game. Matches should be completely deterministic.

I mean sure, you could just move forward to beat both options and get a free launcher instead of standing at mid range trying to block for no benefit. But then what if the Ivy player does something else?

Truly a no-win situation.
 
From the video it seems like the further you are from Ivy, the more at risk you are

- Longer range: 66[A] will LH if you ss and 3A+G will grab you if you stand. Death wish, dont be this guy

- Mid range: ok options, 66[A] whiffs the 2nd hit on block. 3_2B+K is stepable and leaves you wide open. On the other hand mixes with 2A+G

- Close range: very mediocre, have to rely on RE and GI

I agree that the unblockable property of SS is too much, maybe that should be nerfed

But other than that I dont see a problem.. there are so many annoying characters that have great mix up options up close

Ivy is now designed to be what she was always meant to be: a beast from afar. You get scared of moving away from her... your best option is in her face

I hated how in SCV her range was shit and most times useless while other characters danced around on the other side of the screen... she's meant to make you feel like you are not safe far away, quite the opposite
 
@Ring it only LH if the 1st hit is blocked and step the 2nd. If they nerfed it i'd hope it was only the first hit so the 2nd still gave good damage on LH. 3[A ] with LH might be worse (no dead zone).
The 2/3A+G get stepped a few times by boom in the same vid(i believe thats the team tourny). It needs to be tested to see what beats it exactly besides block.

2/3B+k being mid is for the mix up and just overall better. Before it would only hit on tech traps(very few) and wiff punish.
 
I mean it's super subtle but I would like to point out that with 2A+G, she's more direct and uses mostly one hand. With 2B+K, she's more forceful and uses both hands to drive the sword into the ground. That or it's just the best 50/50 in fighting game history.
 
IMO speaking about nerf some moves based on beta on a unfinished game without a decent training session is totally non sense.
 
Zou said:
IMO speaking about nerf some moves based on beta on a unfinished game without a decent training session is totally non sense.
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From a "let everything rock" perspective, I can see where you're coming from. But I mean... this is kinda what beta testing is for after all. Seeing what should stay and what shouldn't. If they wanted everything as is, they could just release the game with zero testing whatsoever.
 
MuffinMan123 said:
It's like being able to break an air throw from Astaroth and Taki.
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No it is not, because it is a unbreakable grab that demands very little set up and not only that it: Kill step, ROs, shuts down zoning and has a pretty disgusting damage, not only that it can be mixed up with 2B+K. The move is extremely good right now.
 
ZeroEffect317 said:
From a "let everything rock" perspective, I can see where you're coming from. But I mean... this is kinda what beta testing is for after all. Seeing what should stay and what shouldn't. If they wanted everything as is, they could just release the game with zero testing whatsoever.
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OR YOU COULD CALL AN IDIOT AN IDIOT. REASONABLE PEOPLE DON'T DISMISS ALL EXTRAPOLATIONS BY DEFAULT. ONLY MORONS BLINDLY DEFEND THAT EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE GAME.
 
Ramus said:
No it is not, because it is a unbreakable grab that demands very little set up and not only that it: Kill step, ROs, shuts down zoning and has a pretty disgusting damage, not only that it can be mixed up with 2B+K. The move is extremely good right now.
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+ she has 2. What the hell is anyone doing with 2 unbreakable throws? Maybe Astaroth has as many but I didn't even see any in his trailer and he's the main throw character right now. Plus air throws usually aren't broken; low throws have been.
 
MONEYMUFFINS said:
OR YOU COULD CALL AN IDIOT AN IDIOT. REASONABLE PEOPLE DON'T DISMISS ALL EXTRAPOLATIONS BY DEFAULT. ONLY MORONS BLINDLY DEFEND THAT EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE GAME.
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Lol. Fair enough. And I agree with that. But there ARE a number of people with the mentality that we need to wait several months for the majority of players to agree if something is too much.

All I'm saying is, I think people are so caught up in "exposing the crybabies", that they forgot what these field tests are even used for in the first place, lol.

Ramus said:
No it is not, because it is a unbreakable grab that demands very little set up and not only that it: Kill step, ROs, shuts down zoning and has a pretty disgusting damage, not only that it can be mixed up with 2B+K.
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I don't think there is a mixup with 2B+K since that move has always been a Special Mid. Meaning you can block it standing AND crouching
 
I honestly think that's the next thing that needs testing at the next event. (Maybe Summer Jam?) Just see if you can block Ivy's 2B+K while crouching. Once that's determined, all conversations about this 50/50 should be put to rest.
 
ZeroEffect317 said:
Lol. Fair enough. And I agree with that. But there ARE a number of people with the mentality that we need to wait several months for the majority of players to agree if something is too much.

All I'm saying is, I think people are so caught up in "exposing the crybabies"
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People like you in The Talim Fanbase are the biggest crybabies want Ivy to be nerf just like you guys got nerfed Natsu in SCV for no reason.

ZeroEffect317 said:
I honestly think that's the next thing that needs testing at the next event. (Maybe Summer Jam?) Just see if you can block Ivy's 2B+K while crouching. Once that's determined, all conversations about this 50/50 should be put to rest.
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Ivy's 1_2_3B+K were always Special Mid. The Talim Fanbase love to spread lies and people believe it. That guy who made the other thread on Ivy wanted to push a false agenda just to make Ivy non-viable. Overnerfing a character before a game is even released isn't right.
 
Frayhua said:
People like you in The Talim Fanbase are the biggest crybabies want Ivy to be nerf just like you guys got nerfed Natsu in SCV for no reason.
Ivy's 1_2_3B+K were always Special Mid. The Talim Fanbase love to spread lies and people believe it. That guy who made the other thread on Ivy wanted to push a false agenda just to make Ivy non-viable. Overnerfing a character before a game is even released isn't right.
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Lol. You funny
 
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