Bonus Characters (*)

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World Warrior
Angol Fear, Kamikirimusi, Shura, Ashlotte, and Scheherazade.

I don't even remember there ever being an in depth look into these characters to determine if they're worthy of a ban.

Sorry if I'm missing something, because I don't play these characters or their counterparts, but what is it about them that makes them broken or overpowered and worthy of being banned?

I heard people say that Shura and Sheherazade have extra range, but I seriously don't see that affecting the outcomes of tournaments or most fights, unless the extra range drastically changes the character and makes them overpowered.

Same goes for Ashlotte having a smaller hit box, I don't see how this will affect results. In fact I'd be happy if someone used Ashlotte because then I'd be able to pick Hilde and actually have her combos work, since her C3 B combo doesn't work on Astaroth. So if anything having these characters allowed will make things more interesting when it comes to counter picking.

It seems to me that these characters were banned for little to no reason at all, and mainly because of popular opinion that "they don't belong". Banning these characters seems even more wrong than banning Algol or Yoda, but there are other threads to discuss those two...

Hell the bonus characters are even banned in the 8wayrun.com online tournaments where Yoda and Algol are allowed. Why??

Please discuss.
 
Ashlotte truly is horrible, lol. Anybody who picks her in a tourney setting is either woefully ignorant, or wants to lose. I don't see how it'd make things more interesting in terms of counterpicking, since three of them are crap, and two of them just have extra range (Though scheherewhateverthefuck has a larger hitbox, which definitely changes things).
 
OOF....same old rhetoric...arguing for the sake of argument.

WHY USE THEM OOF??!?! WHY?!?!

TO be different and cause a scene because you can't get youy way?!?!

Stop whining and just play.
 
Hey, I'm indifferent to who people want to use. Bonus characters aren't that functionally different, anyway, except for the ranges and hitbox. Meh.

Fire away and let people play.
 
I love Angol Fear ( I HATE HATE HATE HATE Mina), and there is no reason she should be banned.

Unlike the other freakish bonus characters Angol Fear has a shorter reach than Mina. Now unlike say Cervantes and Shura, where Shura's extra range makes her a superior character, Angol Fear's shorter reach can be argued to have both positives and negatives about it. For those that don't play Mina she gets extra damage or lauches if she hits with only the tip of her weapon which requires the player to keep a certain distance from their opponent. Now Angol Fear's shorter reach introduces a new game, because you must space differently than you would with Mina to get tip range bonuses on your attacks. Thus it can be argued that neither character is better than the other since reach works differently than any other style in the game. This is why I think there is no valid reason to ban Angol Fear (Plus she is so hawt). All the other bonus characters are either unfairly better than the original (Shura and Scherezade) or simply crap (Ashlotte and Kamirikimusi). So to all you tournament organizers UNBAN Angol Fear so I can use her, because I refuse to use Mina.

Oh yeah Oof Kamirikimusi has shorter range than Nightmare due to having shorter arms. I don't think anyone ever mentioned her reason for sucking.
 
How can any sane person hate Mina? Besides being awesome, she's also Korean. I read in her bio that she can cook, too.
 
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How can any sane person hate Mina? Besides being awesome, she's also Korean. I read in her bio that she can cook, too.
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Impending Doom isn't sane, in the least bit. Trust me on this.

On-topic: I'm curious about the supposedly super special broken combos that Scheherewhateverthefuck and Shura have, that people keep citing. Is there anything that's actually broken about them?
 
While I personally don't use those characters, I can see the potential for new combos with the added range. Where some combos would knock people to far away to safely follow up, the added range allows you to keep throwing mix ups because the victim is still within range. Little things like that can make the game very different. Imagine if ivy had a counterpart with a slightly longer sword?!? Her sword stance would be insane with 6.

One could argue that they're part of the game, but I don't feel they were intended to be balanced. They're either worse or better than there counter part and clearly only existing for cosmetic reasons. It's an oddity that only 5 of these characters exist and why they weren't just awarded the same properties...


ANOTHER theory!

Today I played a custom Astaroth. This individual chose to give his character a very large cloak and leggings that covered most of his limbs. I actually found it hard to figure out what the hell he was doing since his limbs were floating in very open cloth and I could never see the actual limbs move since his back was facing me. It was very weird. My point here is that the different look could throw people off the animations since they are designed differently.
 
i just wanted to say that i think the whole "they do not belong" argument is bullshit. they are in the game. namcobandai put them in the game. who are you to say they don't belong? regardless of their fanservicing reasons, they are in the game as playable characters, and you should deal with it. the bonus characters seem to be fine as they all have their disadvantages i'd say (sch's height, ashlotte's overall suckiness, angol/kami's range)... save for shura but i'm no cervantes expert by any means to have a real opinion on that.

the only character that i think should truly even come close (and thats not even a definite) to a tournament ban is yoda, and thats because half of your moveset doesn't work and spamming verticals to win just seems inane. no reason for that in "serious" play. this community is really ban happy though.
 
Dullyanna said:
Do you listen to English VAs? If so, have you heard Tira's English VA lately? If anything should be banned, it's English VA Tira..

Also, Angol is an ugly worthless bitch.
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Scherezbitch's voice is horrible period. Not even the JPN voice track saves her because her JPN voice track is just as annoying as the ENG voice track.

Also, Doom's illogical love for Angol Fear over Mina makes me "lol". At least Mina has underboob.
 
I believe they're banned just for the sake of simplicity. Every character you see on the initial screen is unique and selectable. If bonus characters are allowed, suddenly there's literally no reason to choose Amy or Cervantes other than possible mental factors. Rather than allow all, I prefer to just go with simplicity and allow only the standard characters. It's not an issue of balance. If Shura and Scheherazade were made legal, I'd figure out just what's up with their increased range instead of Amy & Cervantes. It's that they are strictly better than the regular, canon characters, so only one version can be allowed.
 
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OOF....same old rhetoric...arguing for the sake of argument.

WHY USE THEM OOF??!?! WHY?!?!

TO be different and cause a scene because you can't get youy way?!?!

Stop whining and just play.
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why not use them? if you like someone use them.
except yoda he changes the way the game is supposed to be played
 
Ashollette-Has shorter range but a smaller hit-box
Kamikiruski-Or whatever the fuck her name is has shorter reach but faster moves (I think)
Sherazade-Has longer reach but a bigger hit-box
Angol Fear-Well Impending Doom put explained that pretty well :P
Shura-Has longer reach,not really any disadvantageous compared to the other bonus characters.
I never really got why they banned Ash or Angol,I mean fuck Shura's the only one that
should even be worth a ban.
But it was already decided so it doesn't really matter anymore to be honest.
And yes,they do fit (not well) but they do work into Soul Calibur.
 
No, Kamikirimusi isn't faster. She's just shorter, and cuter.

Really, why would Shura be worth a ban, if she doesn't actually break the game?
 
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