Bonus Characters (*)

well the reason why I see bonus characters are ban worthy is one, schera-whatever. Its amy with a longer reach, amy is annoying as is and with this bitch being able to poke you with 6BB with that extra helping range....fuck....that. Not to mention 33B would be even more ridiculous. and as for shura, cervy with longer range....great....2A+B with more range....just what I always wished for.....keep them banned and stop bitchin.
 
So maybe Sherewhateverthefuck or Shura would be top teir, right? Since when do we ban characters for being top tier? Oh wait...

Honestly I'm not picking sides here, just playing devil's advocate.
 
Amy and Cervy are pretty high tier anyway, but it's not like a little extra range would bump them to S tier
 
keep yoda banned, despite the fact that he is indisputably the worst character in the game, for the following reasons.

there is a much smaller move list available for fighting him. this leads to matches being very homogeneous, and homogeneous matches are uninteresting for spectators. if we are trying to garner interest in tournaments and competitive play then we need to do what we can to keep matches interesting.

yoda is not only a terribly weak character, yoda is a terribly designed character as well. in the event that there is ever a sc5 i do not want to see another character that has yodaesque immunities in it. the best way to avoid seeing a yoda mark 2, is to show in no uncertain terms how much we hated his guts the first time around.

banning yoda is doing new players a favor. since yoda is not merely bad but actually orders of magnitude worse than any other character, if yoda is banned then new players wont pick him in tournaments and thus they will not get absolutely destroyed because he can never win anything.

banning yoda is doing a favor for other players too. playing against yoda is boring. really boring. if he is banned then maybe i wont see him as often.

in conclusion, yoda is a negative influence on the game. if the mythical patch 1.04 deleted the little green goblin from the game would you mourn his loss?

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the special characters are not fine. their inclusion does not add anything to the game but cosmetics, and in some cases an argument could be made that they are just better than their counterpart (ashlotte's much smaller hit box comes to mind). i would argue that their inclusion does not add to the game outside a measure of aesthetics and i can see no reason to risk adding some imbalance merely to accommodate aesthetics.

in retrospect that last paragraph should have been first, but i really hate yoda.

If we want to make it easier for new players, we should ban ROs, frame traps, tech traps, 1A, stun combos/mixups, Astaroth, Mitsurugi, and Kilik. All of those things are more effective than Yoda, except possibly stun combos.
 
Since no one mentioned, Kami has one more difference over Nightmare, in her favor. Her hitbox is slimmer, so juggle difficulties are defaulted to a standard-width midweight character. Nightmare, on the other hand, has a wide hitbox despite being a midweight.

Try performing Hilde's C3 B super-juggle on both of them. You'll find it only slightly more difficult to perform it on Kami.
 
well the reason why I see bonus characters are ban worthy is one, schera-whatever. Its amy with a longer reach, amy is annoying as is and with this bitch being able to poke you with 6BB with that extra helping range....fuck....that. Not to mention 33B would be even more ridiculous. and as for shura, cervy with longer range....great....2A+B with more range....just what I always wished for.....keep them banned and stop bitchin.

That's pretty funny coming from an Algol player...
 
Amy and Cervy are pretty high tier anyway, but it's not like a little extra range would bump them to S tier

play someone that is good with amy then have them pick scher, see if your mind doesnt change alittle, just BB alone would be annoying

not too mention that with shura 1A WS BB should be free because of the range now.

EDIT: Actually I`m a apprentice/siegfried player but they dont have his name in the option so I just put down algol and I just ddint care to put in siegfried
 
EDIT: Actually I`m a apprentice/siegfried player but they dont have his name in the option so I just put down algol and I just ddint care to put in siegfried

Ah sorry, my bad.

And just to clarify, I'm not saying Algol is ban-worthy or broken; just that I wouldn't expect the people who use him to be the ones wanting to ban petty shit like bonus characters.
 
As mentioned; Shura does have a bigger range than Cervy.

HOWEVER, if people are okay with that, then that argument becomes moot. People should remember that the reason for banning should be because Shura's range is THE problem, NOT just because Shura has a bigger range than Cervy.

Get my point?
 
Is there an easy way to transfer custom characters? It just seems like a waste of time to allow them considering the very marginal changes they bring...
 
I honestly agree that bonus characters should be banned. Let's look back at SC3, why CAS was banned in the first place?

Oof, I remember having a verbal discussion with you. As I recall one of the reasons you say why in SC3 CAS was banned in tournaments is because some CAS have better range than the originals and you gave me an example that CAS with Talim's style has longer range than Talim. Now you're saying that range is not a valid excuse? Than if that's the case as Vint's mentioned in flash chat we should also allow CAS.

Ya I agree that balancing gameplay is a factor here, but I also have growing concerns about the imagery that the SC competition represents itself. This is Soul Calibur, every competition I've witnessed, I see original casts of characters used that truely belong to the series. No way do I want to see those bonus characters in serious SC4 competitions not because of range but because they're out of their league.
 
SCH has more range than Amy but on the other side of it her hitbox is larger as well. Combos and moves that don't work on Amy work on SCH because of that.

So it's not just Amy with more range, you trade off some of Amy's combo and move immunities for that range.
 
Ya I agree that balancing gameplay is a factor here, but I also have growing concerns about the imagery that the SC competition represents itself. This is Soul Calibur, every competition I've witnessed, I see original casts of characters used that truely belong to the series. No way do I want to see those bonus characters in serious SC4 competitions not because of range but because they're out of their league.

as i said before: since when did "imagery" become a reason for banning?
 
They were banned for one simple reason: because they serve no purpose. Amy, Mina, Cervy, Asta and Sieg already exist; bonus characters are nothing more than PREMADE CUSTOM CHARACTERS. If we let Amy, Mina, Cervy, Asta and Sieg players, play with custom versions of their characters; we must give the same oppurtunity to all other characters. If we were unban Bonus characters, then by definition, we MUST unban custom characters.

This is why they were banned... to keep things simple... it has nothing to do with balance. It has EVERYTHING to do with the non-sensical changes that bonus and custom characters make to the movesets of the original characters.
 
Uh - why all the Bonus Characters hate?
Just because they're blatantly huge fanserviced weird women designed by manga artists? Not a good reason, IMO. People are just ban-happy - and banning them of course is the easy and fastest method of "solving" the matter, instead of thinking about the subject in a rational way.

They don't screw the game - people won't need adjust specefically against different hitbox issues every time (like the Custom Characters per se) - they're by default in the game, just needing to be unlocked by beating Story Mode. Easy enough. Allowing the Bonus women brings more diversity into the game itself - each one have flaws, even Shura rofl.

Shura indeed has a great range - but Shura is slightly slower. Cervy steps way better then her. No one even bothered to bring this up. :p - Scheherazade also has longer range than Amy, but her hitbox is larger, like Prinny said. The only characters who don't have anything to backup their severe limitations is Angol Fear and Ashlotte - moreso Ashlotte. Angol Fear's range is only slightly lower than Mina, AFAIK.

As a Shura user (yes, Shura - not Cervy), I say that both are two worlds apparts. Shura being slower somewhat changes the playstyle if you're a Cervy player beforehand.

They don't belong to the canon - neither Starkiller, lol. BANHIM1!1!11

And I do expected more from Jaxel. His argument doesn't explain anything either. The Bonus women aren't pre-made customs - if they were, we could re-create them in the first place. They have different weapons, and even with the same style of the regular characters, they play differently than them. And Kami is a Nightmare clone, not Sieg's.

I reiterate: you people are just prissy.
 
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