Ban Hilde

Ban Hilde.

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If somebody already said this I apologize, I just don't want to read through 14 pages of posts, but if somebody picks Hilde you also have the option to pick her so there you have it, you take away his/her advantage. Yeah, it'd make tournaments maybe less exciting to watch but that's life, you don't run away from problems, you deal with them.
 
GG: Justice.

Bans are when a community agrees that limiting the use of a character will diminish the fun of the game.

Even if a character is "banned," it's not like you can't play them on the console ever again.

If the community agrees that limiting the use of "anime guest characters" is less fun, ban bonus chars.
If the community agrees that characters from SW have no place here, ban SW chars.
If the community agrees that playing against Algol is not fun, ban him.
If the community agrees that playing against Hilde is not fun, ban her.

The problem is though, if we start throwing around bans, you'll get people who leave SC4 and won't come back. Some people like the game enough to keep on practicing and keep on playing a different character. Some people don't.
 
Maybe if you weren't such pussies and you didn't fall for so much stupid shit, you wouldn't lose to Hildes so often. I saw the tournament videos, and the majority of the ring outs I saw were because people were too fucking retarted to block properly.
 
IgnisPhaseOne said:
GG: Justice.
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Justice's and Kliff's ban had nothing to do with them being "broken". It had everything to do with them never being included in the Arcade version (which is tourny standard) and were console port exclusive. That's the exact same reason why EX forms in GG were always banned.
 
I agree with the compromise as presented. After Nationals, button binding for Hilde players would be disallowed because it gives a significant advantage. Nothing should be done about stage select.

Banning Hilde was a hyperbole of an argument, but I'm glad we were able to get a discussion going that led to an acceptable compromise.
 
HervE said:
Guilty Gear has banned Robo-Ky, Kliff and I think another. Robo-Ky being no where near over powered enough for a ban.

Street Fighter 2 Super Turbo banned Akuma for being over powered

Virtua Fighter banned no one unless you count Dural, and they didn't allow a super small stage with all walls in VF4:Evo because it made Kage over powered.

Tekken, Jinpachi is not allowed in tournaments.
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Super Turbo Akuma and Tekken Jinpachi are WELL beyond the scope of Hilde. DOnt argue this, Hilde is not unbeatable or even close. even on a shitty stage.

i cant speak for vf dural, or the GG characters, i dont know the theory behind them.

banning a stage is 100% preferable to banning a character.
 
BLDave said:
Super Turbo Akuma and Tekken Jinpachi are WELL beyond the scope of Hilde. DOnt argue this, Hilde is not unbeatable or even close. even on a shitty stage.

i cant speak for vf dural, or the GG characters, i dont know the theory behind them.

banning a stage is 100% preferable to banning a character.
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T5 arcade jinpachi was broke.

T5 DR console jinpachi was good but not broke. granted i never saw JOPs jinpachi but from what i did see he was just a really good character.
 
Robo Ky's ban has been lifted ages ago. He was only banned in GGXX because, like Kliff and Justice, he was a console exclusive character and was not selectable in the arcade version. He's been a legal character ever since #Reloaded as he's been included in the arcade version ever since.
 
HervE said:
Yoda is not console specific. Stop being a cheap bastard and unlock Yoda or stop making excuses for losing to Yoda.
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i dont lose to yoda,i win against yoda but it makes me feel like a scrub because i spam lows and B with raph
 
A winner will do the same actions if those actions result in winning.
A scrub will do the same actions regardless and ban their answers.
 
Cynnik said:
The game was meant to be played with 4 buttons arcade style and none of that A+B or G+A or multiple A's/B's bullshit.s used.
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yup cause SC4 is an arcade game, it's not like it's a console game with a ton of binds already preset to the controller.



bans in other fighting games are only if the character is not present in the arcade version, it has nothing to do with being imbalanced, unless it is EXTREME case where you really have no chance unless you pick that character yourself. dural? justice? not in arcade version, that's why they are banned, end of story.

If you think of arcade versions as the ORIGINAL version, since the console version of SC4 is the ORIGINAL version rather than an arcade version, all characters playable in it should all be allowed, and everything that goes with it.
 
I love how people start talking about how a game is "meant" to be played, like its programming doesn't already do that.
 
Banning button-binding does nothing but cuts down the population of Hilde players showing up to tournies by half; sure, you manage to persecute the Hilde players who play on a pad, woohoo. The stick Hilde players still get off free and can still Doom Combo you to Madagascar.

This 'compromise' you've reached solves nothing. Did you know that even if you multi-button bind (like having a B+K button or an A+K button), Hilde can still hold those for charges? I suppose we have to ban controllers now.
 
Cynnik said:
Button binding is for fucking scrubs... i cant believe this is still being allowed. This rule was implemented to suit newcomer pad scrubs and to expand the community as some dumbass expained it to me who is running this year's nationals. Back in the day you were not allowed to bind buttons and i cant believe this changed. The game was meant to be played with 4 buttons arcade style and none of that A+B or G+A or multiple A's/B's bullshit. I understand that newcomers or pad players will be turned off by this and make the community smaller in that respect but they need to understand that its an advantage to throw with 1 button or CF for that matter. If it was up to me, tourneys would be stick only and only 4 buttons used.
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-If the game was meant to be played without button binding, how come it allows you to do so and the default control setup has button binds set? That was obviously a deliberate design decision and not some bug/oversight.

-If your tourny is stick-only, which stick do you use? I can't imagine that they are all equally built, especially any custom or modified sticks that could confer who knows what kind of sneaky advantage (intentional or otherwise). (same goes with any custom or non-standard pads for that matter)

-If it was meant to be played strictly arcade style, where's the arcade version of the game? And wouldn't the game then be bundled with an official stick?

-Not everyone likes arcade sticks, just cause you prefer one, doesn't mean everyone else does.
 
Damn, I hate to say it but this kinda is breaking the community right now. I am torn by the Hilde situation, on one side I don't think ANYONE character should have that much power over all others. On the other, I use Kilik and as stated earlier by someone else, his FOTD combo can equal ring out if not stoped the minute you get thrown.

I should make it clear I DON't THINK Hilde should be banned, only patched becasue, lets face it, EVERYBODY makes mistakes but that one mistake sholdn't be a garunteed match breaker.

Seriously, if this is such a problem then lets try and see what we can do as a community, who ever wants Hilde to be fixed should go to Project Soul's oficial site and post. Say you're from 8wayrun. If we get enough people, if we blow up there forums, maybe, just maybe we find out how capable this community is. I we can get Namco Bandai to hear us then we become that much more influential.
 
Yeah, like throwing a tantrum is really going to do anything. The community was torn apart as soon as it reacted irrationally to unusual characters. I apologize for the tasteless comparison, but after 9/11, legislation got rushed right through without any deliberation or review. That's exactly the kind of shock factor that impacted the Soul Calibur community and it hasn't been the same since.
(Please don't flame me for this, I can't think of a better comparison).

Also, polls don't mean anything. Just because this one matches what seems to be the popular opinion doesn't mean this poll is worth anything.
 
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