Ban Hilde

[Sora]

Sorry, I'm not biting. Hilde is definitely beatable. Hell, Aris sent Cedric to the Losers bracket in semi finals. It's not like he went completely uncontested, trouncing through the competition. Bobino gave Cedric a decent amount of trouble as well. I can't really say what happened with grand finals; whether it was nerves, Cedric playing a tighter game, Aris feeling off, whatever-- but the bottom line is that Hilde can and HAS BEEN BEATEN.

It disgusts me how ban happy this community can get sometimes.

Agreed with this post 100%.

 

[Dullyanna]

Alright, if people want to discuss this seriously, then they should get their arses into flashchat. Yes, flashchat is being serious to an extent, now.... God help us all.

 

[Fuzion]

Every regional winner so far has used Hilde in their lineup, just throwing that out there.

Also, those of you crying to lock a thread 1 hour old fucking disgust me.

I'm waiting for the vids as the OP requested

 

[Tiamat]

What benefit does the 2P side get? Sorry haven't kept up with that.

nightmare gets some better combos and stuff, lizardman 44K hits as attack throw even on standing opponents

 

[KrsJin]

nightmare gets some better combos and stuff, lizardman 44K hits as attack throw even on standing opponents

There's a bug that allows the 2P Nightmare/Lizzy do on the ground attack throws against standing opponents. It doesn't even matter when the two switch sides of the screen, 2P still has this mysterious ability.

Yikes, that's kinda whack. Thanks for the info though guys.

 

[Rigil]

What is the problem with a sort of level ban? Just keep Hilde off of the levels that have 0 walls like: The Raft, Labrynth, Wolfkrone, Lizards...etc. I'd also suggest Laser Walls(which everyone hates regardless of Hilde). I feel Virgin Snow is actually big enough and I have seen the pillars save people plenty of times. People think this solution is "too smash?" Why, it fixes the problem with Hilde without having to tear apart the game. Feedback please, I think this can work.

 

[DrakeAldan]

Too smash.

If I can't work my way around "solving a Hilde problem", then that defeats the purpose of even playing this game.

I'll eat my Hilde and like it. Call it a lapse in judgment, but insurmountable odds don't matter when you kick reason to the curb.

.... Seriously, though. You start removing challenges, you might as well start banning players. That's bogus, man.

 

[Rigil]

Ok, so you fall into the "just deal with it" camp. Which is fine.

 

[Utsuse]

Seriously, JUST DEAL WITH IT.

Unban all characters. Ugh.

 

[ShinobiBrown]

Seriously, JUST DEAL WITH IT.

Unban all characters. Ugh.

This. Honestly, if it's something you cannot deal with, don't play the game. If you play it and complain about it, you become an annoyance.

There is a reason why I'll watch Marvel, but refuse to bother playing or learning it.

 

[BanHilde]

Seriously, JUST DEAL WITH IT.

Unban all characters. Ugh.

That's the same thing people said about SCIII, but eventually "dealing with it" meant everyone leaving the community.

I don't want to see the same thing happen here. This topic, WE'RE DEALING WITH IT. This is a discussion on what to do, and Rigel's level ban idea has some merit.

What doesn't help though are your comments. You're not adding anything to the topic. You're not dealing with it, rather, you're closing your eyes and plugging your ears.

Please, say something constructive as to why we should leave it in.

 

[Rigil]

What is the problem with a sort of level ban? Just keep Hilde off of the levels that have 0 walls like: The Raft, Labrynth, Wolfkrone, Lizards...etc. I'd also suggest Laser Walls(which everyone hates regardless of Hilde). I feel Virgin Snow is actually big enough and I have seen the pillars save people plenty of times. People think this solution is "too smash?" Why, it fixes the problem with Hilde without having to tear apart the game. Feedback please, I think this can work.

Don't shut down your common sense and stop listening just because you heard something that reminds you of smash. Its a good idea and works for smash BECAUSE its a good idea. We're not even talking about gutting half the game like they do with smash. Its a simple matter of, re-random the level.

 

[KDZaster]

Last time I checked, scrubs aren't winning with Hilde.
Linkrkc, his first time playing a Hilde, beat her on theory alone.
Kid D. has never lost to a Hilde in tourney.

STD was knocked two and out by a Hilde player, Valei. So he's good.
I beat Valei with Asta, and badly with Cass.

She's so fucking broke.

 

[Rigil]

I'll continue to play the game regardless of what happens to Hilde, but if nothing is done, all the complaining will continue. I'm just offering what I feel is a reasonable to solution.

 

[M0-T3MP35T]

BanHilde...I know who you are, and that avatar is great, lol. In all seriousity...Hilde = Win button.

w/o that patch -

Best scenario: SC2 status ...with people playing just to dethrone whoever the best Hilde is at the time by any means necessary, allowing Algol and starwars eventually. Maybe the crowd will get into it. Get hype!

Worst scenario: T4 (not a stretch at all)

I know Hilde won't be banned, and rather hoped to be patched (which won't happen either), but I voted yes.
No tears...no hate. I've said she was god tier since week 2 of this game and knew she was stupid when I was maining her, but you never realize just how stupid until you have to try to formulate a worth while counter strategy without resorting to an attempt at counter picking with Asta (stupid) or something just as ridiculous (Algol). The only reason I think she hasn't gotten banned yet is because she actually takes a bit of practice and knowledge to perfect, but make no mistake...she's about as broken as it gets for a 3d fighter.

Cedric is the RTD of the west lol. Smart player, great guy...hard to hate on, but plays a dirty character without shame lol. Ced...man...the hate trains coming. Wrap that scarf up tight, it's gonna get ice cold!

Honestly what he's doing now is just showing a tip of the ice burg of how bad this Hilde RO business is gonna get throughout the lifespan of this game. The more you learn about the game and its characters, the easier it's gonna get to get the RO, until the games' pointless to play. After conversing with everybody & getting mind raped extensively by Hilde this weekend...I think after regionals, alot of people are ready to move on to other games...some are quitting now, because we know of only one patch that might come...and that's not till DECEMBER! lol... A shame really. SC4 would be great if well maintained.


FINAL SCORE:
Namco 0
FUCKINUP ALOT

 

[DrakeAldan]

Please, say something constructive as to why we should leave it in.

Well, we can argue semantics, and I can fall back on Oof's old argument (or whoever came up with it... before Sirlin, I guess) on how you should be arguing why you should ban it in the first place, but.

Look at the weaknesses of C3 B.

1) It has to be charged. There is a period where no vertical attacks are being thrown (4 seconds, if I'm quoting correctly). You should at least be able to train yourself to recognize this as a red flag.
2) During this period, a Hilde is usually occupying themselves with spacing. Are you saying you cannot land a hit or bait a response within 4 seconds?
3) It can be stepped like everything else. You step away from the lance, to her right. Of course, Hilde has anti-step for this, but this situation is obvious.

I can start mounting information on the mindgames here. (I may have to do so for my own benefit.)

Anyway. There is a way around this problem. It is not godly enough in my eyes to warrant a complete denial from the game.

And as for whiffing, well... I guess you should be studying your own character's spacing attributes, then... I mean, it is your character after all, you should at least know your own range...

 

[crow_winters]

because we know of only one patch that might come...and that's not till DECEMBER! lol... A shame really. SC4 would be great if well maintained.


FINAL SCORE:
Namco 0
FUCKINUP ALOT

What is the December patch in reference to? I haven't heard about that.

And as for the namco score board: Yup.

 

[JetSetDizzy]

I agree with Rigels stage idea

Instead of banning anything you can just say that Hilde has to play on non-RO stage lol.

 

[Spman]

Hey if we allow algol atleast we'll have hilde vs algol and not t4 status of hilde vs hilde!!!! This game is going to get dangerously close to T4 if things don't change or we find some sort of major flaw in Hilde.

 

[Ooofmatic]

Talim is my anti-Hilde.