Can I kill you now...please?? Tira! :D SCV

[ZUZU]

Edit - I noticed that I haven't seen any of Tira's 5 directional imput JF moves... which seems odd since Akiru clearly knows his way around Tira...

they took them out i think. that post from ageoftruth mentioned it was hard to tell whether there was buff frames. but 66B brave edge replaces 66666B, assuming that is the input. i could be wrong.

 

[Large_Yeti]

they took them out i think.

Wow, that's ultra-lame... (Although I think I've seen variation in how many hits come out of GS 66B; but never a JF though.)

Am I the only one scared of online for this game? Ivy's UB (3/4 life bar damage! wtf!) and Asta's 1A,B UB (comes out really fast)! Even with good netcode, the "pro" mixups these moves will produce in the hands of scrubs gives me nightmares...

 

[Violent Vodka]

Notes from this video (Hilde vs Tira).

Self-damage still kills yourself here..
I wonder if all characters get a BE throw.. I've seen quite a few characters use one... Natsu does a weird flippy thing, Astartoth's MIGHT be his add-ons, Ivy's is her SS, and Hilde does one here, but it doesn't connect. I hope if everyone gets one, Tira's will be badass.
First time I've actually seen them pick Tira's theme (and why she got the wasteland is beyond me..) here. You can only hear it for a few seconds.. the quality also makes it hard to really tell how it sounds.

Anyway, good vid. I'm wondering what moves the buzzsaw would connect with.. It doesn't drain HP and it might be usefull after GL 2A+B, or something. Too bad it doesn't stun a grounded enemy..

 

[kerrod123]

Wow, that's ultra-lame... (Although I think I've seen variation in how many hits come out of GS 66B; but never a JF though.)

Am I the only one scared of online for this game? Ivy's UB (3/4 life bar damage! wtf!) and Asta's 1A,B UB (comes out really fast)! Even with good netcode, the "pro" mixups these moves will produce in the hands of scrubs gives me nightmares...

yeah im pretty scared what this game will be online too, as an ivy player i also hve to say her WP 214A is way too strong now even though it can be ducked, because you have to duck for quite long, sometimes it catches you if you get up too soon and online this could quite easily get messed up
and to me astaroth seems too stong because of what ive seen and because i can see scrubs finding spammable things that will be really effective and overpowered especially for him

about tira,i dont want to just go round flaming that she needs sorting,but cmon she does need sorting and badly its just screaming at you that she needs improving,im hoping there working on a lot of things for her but they might not so i want us to let them now about it

i mean to certain people only i respect your opinions but,yes tira is fun because she is hard to play etc. but with improvements i dont think they will purposly make her easy, and you cant use and excuse like that to justify why she is so obviously crippled

you keep coming up with excuses now and its rather sad like saying that theyve changed all her moves around so the people playing wont know what to do,well its like this with all the characters and they are fighting great
and also saying there werent many tira vids and that the people playing werent tira players,
well yeah you are right there but one of the people was a tira pro and he did terrible,he coudnt do anything to beat them and i think the reason there wasnt much tira is because the people who played her lost and got knocked out of play

the one i saw her win was against a natsu who didnt have a clue and it was 2-2 i honestly think she only won because of her awesome CE,if she wins in SCV it will most likely because overuse of that and thats bad,she needs big improvements without it

i really respect your opinions you guys who are against her been buffed, like tiraloveslave,immortalxdragon and zuzu but at the end of the day we all want a good tira right?i mean all the other characters are been updated and tira needs to be too, a lot more than the others

we can just make the message clear that we dont want her to become a pick up and play character,or deliberatly easy to win with or been simplified we dont want that im sure,we just want her improving so she has a fair advantage against other characters because she certainly doesnt at all
so how about we all think of something to do to get our ideas and concerns across together after seeing some early but nevertheless valid gameplay of her?

because we want her buffed and some things have been done opposite that really needed improving-GS 4B.B.B
a main thing that is still outstanding that she still kills herself,which is probably been sorted but i think we need to do something to make ourselves heard now what do you think?

 

[limejuice]

^ couldn't have said it better myself.

the only thing I can think of atm is just keep tweeting Daishi often, these tweets can help make a difference. anyone else got suggestions how to get ourselves heard??

 

[kerrod123]

well we could perhaps all repost on the wishlist for new concerns we have and things we would like to be done after seeing her gameplay videos,

because our views will change overtime i think its handy to be able to renew our suggestions like that
because before i and a few others put a lot of suggestions just so they had a lot of options to choose but now its more like get the big things sorted first never mind about the extra things

plus the letter limit on twitter wont be enough to get across what we are trying to say it will just make it confusing and more unclear so we need space to write what we want clearly
we could make a new thread if you want,id be willing to do that if you guys would post on it
or we could just go with out current wishlist if people want to do that

or we could just post on his twitter but i think it would be better if we did something together and more detailed and organized

 

[AnOceanOfBlood]

Tira looks to much like SC4 Tira at this point in the development process so obviously she still need some work ....My only suggestion for Tira is that her gloomy stance doesn't kill her, she can take damage but ultimately it wont kill her when she has no health. Or (i just thought of this) a successful attack in her gloomy stance gives her life back to balance out the small amount damage she takes.

 

[kerrod123]

yeah some of us has thought she should get health back in some way too,but probably better if that was in jolly by the use of a lunge throw or something and the animation be like her SC4 CF because she sucks the life out of them in that so it makes sense

 

[sheppard]

5:50 Its the same pose, she just says something different that you cant hear.
6K doesnt have crouch stun.
some move from SC3.
break attack is cool.
CE - "It's a party"
"You're still alive?, that must be a mistake"
props to akiru.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACeZY25HY6s#t=08m40s
At this moment, user of Tira tries to perform that SC3-like move of her. I think this new move is different cuz Tira won't turn around more than once like she did in SC3.

 

[power911]

awesome guys! loved the vid you guys shared.
finally a decent player that reveals most moves and also new moves :D

thanks for the spoonfeed :D

 

[TiraLoveSlave]

Solid videos!

 

[TheNoirEffect]

I decided to look at Tira's old SCIII moves and I saw that Tira recieved a variation of her move "Polonaise Spin" (0:54) if it hasnt been mentioned yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQOeD0EkAUg

The moves listed are the ones I think should've been carried throughout SCIV:

-Auftatk Beat (1:37)
-Beak Vault (2:15)
-Agrement Double Claw (3:41)
-Ibis Minuet (4:45)
-Hovering Lark & Rumbling Robin Mixups (7:05)

 

[kerrod123]

I decided to look at Tira's old SCIII moves and I saw that Tira recieved a variation of her move "Polonaise Spin" (0:54) if it hasnt been mentioned yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQOeD0EkAUg

The moves listed are the ones I think should've been carried throughout SCIV:

-Auftatk Beat (1:37)
-Beak Vault (2:15)
-Agrement Double Claw (3:41)
-Ibis Minuet (4:45)
-Hovering Lark & Rumbling Robin Mixups (7:05)

id like some of these moves but not others auftatk beat yes and the spin stances and agrement double claw since this a good long range move for her and she needs more effective range
3K stun is a biggie like the spin stances should return too
id also say add her 1AAA spin 3 low hits and the other spin move 44A.A.A
canary waltz moves and halycon rondo moves too
and 2A+B which i think theyve added something very similiar to that now anyway
id like pretty much all her non useless SC3 moves to come back with no SC4 moves removed unless they are no good

edit: piercing talon strike4A+K,B current 4K.B but the first hit stuns
vibrato flutter 6A+K
facing away B+K has a guard break if held
her unblockable is quicker in SC3
2B+K a move that naturally sidesteps they could have this if improved

i dont know why some people arent keen on her been inproved when they could just give her SC3 moves back that would be no trouble and then just the main things like her not killing herself and a way to control the moods with randomness still there

 

[Fuzzieviking]

I decided to look at Tira's old SCIII moves and I saw that Tira recieved a variation of her move "Polonaise Spin" (0:54) if it hasnt been mentioned yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQOeD0EkAUg

The moves listed are the ones I think should've been carried throughout SCIV:

-Auftatk Beat (1:37)
-Beak Vault (2:15)
-Agrement Double Claw (3:41)
-Ibis Minuet (4:45)
-Hovering Lark & Rumbling Robin Mixups (7:05)

Yeeees I loved all of those!

also her 3k should stun again.

 

[Large_Yeti]

vid

I never played SCIII, but I really like that "Hovering Lark" stance! "Rumbling Robin" doesn't seem as useful, but I'd be intrigued if they put one or both back onto Tira. It'd really improve her mixup potential; something I think she is lacking.

But like I said, I never played SCIII, so for all I know they were both sucky... in which case, add them anyway, and just improve them! =P

 

[kerrod123]

they werent excatly great because to get the goodness out of them you had to wait for her to spin the blade round a few times,but they can just be improved there were some good uncharged options anyway, but i still loved them and they certainly had there uses

if they put these stances in and made then useful enough then all they would need to fix our her main problems which dont need much attention and then the stances will have probably nearly done it for her

 

[TiraLoveSlave]

I'm also not too familiar with SCIII Tira, but the Hovering Lark Stance definitely seems like a cool and usefull concept, however I'm still prone to SCIV Tira, I like her style a lot... DAT BF 66B is just too good to not love her, even when it whiffs I get chills!

 

[kerrod123]

im thinking of making a thread where we could just have a quick vote for things we want on the new tira,you woudnt even have to post really but it would help,a thread for concerns and improvements for tira after seeing her gameplay so like the wishlist but with up to date concerns and ideas for her after seeing her play

i will make it but i need help from you guys, what options should we have for the vote?should there even be one?
how about a box for:

SC3 spin stances but each been good and just as usefull in different ways
SC3 moves to retutn(i would need help on what to put for that)
tira not killing herself in GS
3K and 6K stun again
because apparently 6K doesnt stun anymore is this right?because if so then theres no point of it anymore really,there nerfing things that should be the same and nerfing some things that needed buffing! and she needs buffs anyway not nerfs
GS 4B.B.B buff(definitly shoudnt have been nerfed)
random mood change kept but a way to control it,like A+K hold guaranteed change
a move that involves her ravens

anything else you think should be on the vote or if you can help me out on what to put in the thread then please say,i need your guidance before i make it, or whether i should make one at all

 

[Large_Yeti]

I agree that killing herself in GS is dumb. I can live with self-damage (though I don't like it), but she STILL kills herself? Really? -_-

However, I like the change to WR B. I do miss the CH animation, but the way they changed it, you can combo into WR B+K, B on BOTH CH and NH! I think that really helps her damage output (and gives WR B+K a legitimate use...).

As for what moves from SCIII should come back... I really wish I could help, but I have no SCIII experience. =(

 

[kerrod123]

ok then ill take that off for WR B
what about a box for a move that uses her ravens?
if i do make this thread though i just hope people that want to will actually post something in there,that way we can let daishi now our concerns after seeing her play