[10] Knight
The biggest change to the game is 8WR. It is much faster than it was in SC2. 8WR now has a burst of speed at the the start and can be guard canceled similarly to how wave-dashes work. (This is how it works in SC1 after firing it up again.)

You can buffer 8WR directions while performing moves to be in 8WR without any delay.

Step can be canceled with RE, GI and any standing move. It cannot be canceled with Guard and StepG is not in the game.

Pressing forward while backstepping does not mitigate RC.

Guard Impact
6G is the only GI input and it also catches lows and throws.

You can GI earlier than you can guard, but you must buffer the input well before the move resolves in this build.

GI takes 20% of guard meter on whiff and gives back 20% on success. (4 whiffs for yellow, 5 total for red) Auto-GIs and command GIs do not use guard.

You can GI everything but GB and UB moves.

In this build, the GI window is extraordinarily long. Punishing allegedly-whiffed GIs with CE on reaction never ended well.

Instant 8WR attacks except for 22_88.

Taunt is now A+B+K+G. K+G and A+K currently not used for anything.

WL is not in the game. Sophi 9B just behaves like a WL B with a hop and an attack after landing.

Brave Edge and JG are gone.

Whiffed attacks and landed attacks add what feels like 1 to 2 pixels per. Very small amounts.

Lethal Hit
Lethal Hit is consistent on counter hit. Lethal Hit moves can also have conditions outside of CH depending on the move. Mitsu 3B will LH on crouching and TCs even if you do not press a button when hit. Similarly, Mitsu 1A will LH on 8WR.

Lethal Hits are basically just stuns and launchers. Broken pieces of armor do not affect whether LH occurs or not.

Reversal Edge
RE is a solid defense option with reasonable startup time, but can be baited and punished. Parrying moves does not guarantee a RE attack will land, since the attack is dependent on when the player releases the button and whether the opponent attacked with a move with quick recovery.

RE input is B+G. RE is baked into Mitsu BBB.

RE parries all attacks except unblockables, GBs, CEs. The parry uptime is about a second untouched, but if attacked, RE can be held until a big gap occurs. Sophie AAA has a large enough gap between the second and third attack to force RE to come out.

The RE attack is a high vertical can be stuffed, guarded, SS, GI and RE if opponent started RE earlier. You cannot, however, AA into a RE then parry the RE attack.

RE will go into clash with no damage on the first hit if it is blocked on full charge.

You can hit player in RE parry from behind.

Landing a RE attack provides roughly a quarter of meter.

In RE Clash, if no input is chosen, the game will default to G.

RE only lasts 2 rounds. If there is another tie, RE initiator will get a GI. Clash round 2 has a much shorter input window for commands or the input window is before the first round resolves.

A > K > B > A, etc.
A, K > 2_8
B > 4_6
A and K vs G will end the clash. B, however, will reclash after 1st G unless guard broken.

Landing A and K provide about 1/8th meter. B provides about 1/4th on hit and G reclash. Breaking a guard gives 1/8th.

Soul Charge
SC requires 1 bar and is performed with 4A+B+K. The burst knocks back and hits air and OTG. The radius is large but it can be whiff punished. Burst will also cancel an active RE parry and create space. Not sure if can be GI'd.

Soul Charge adds chip. Chip cannot kill. Good rule of thumb is that if a move had a Brave Edge in V, it gets modified by SC. Notably, Mitsu SC 1KB knocks down on normal. Sophie's BBB string becomes BBBB. The last hit is basically a quick 22B+K.


Throws are now 5, 66 and 4 A+G. 66A+G and A+G are both forward throws despite being two different throws. Forward throws are broken by any attack button. Back throws are escaped with 4 and a button.

You can mash ABK while buffering guard. Just as long as you guess the first direction right, it works.

Throws seem slower with worse recovery.

Mitsu now has a shoulder tackle from his low poke in 3BB.

RLC K is a long range shoulder tackle now.

Sword Wall is QCF + B.

Mitsu 66BB seems mega safe. Could not AS B/TAS B punish it on block without getting GId.

Mitsu 1KB is natural on normal hit. KDs on CH and SC buffed.

Mitsu 66A+B[G] is in.

2KB is not safe even with GI.

1A LH on RC.
3B LH on crouch and TC.
B6 LH.


Sophi's back run is covers noticeably more distance than Mitsus when holding back and guard canceling 8WR.

Sophi now has new forward moving pokes. 6AA now has GI properties on first hit, tech crouches and hits low on second. Can press 6 or 66 afterwards for AS or TAS respectively. 6BB has GI properties on first hit and hits mid.

22_88B is now what used to be TAS b8B A K.

Shield punch has been moved to A+B and GBs. 6A+B is the new command GI.

Twin Angel Step is now 236 ~ 6. You can still do 236236 though.

AS and TAS moves are like they are in SC4/BD.

TAS AA does combo into all sorts of things because it still stuns. TAS BB works. (My bad, I forgot TAS was Twin not Double LEL)

8WR B+K (except 66 B+K) LH.


The build has some input lag. GIs have to be buffered very early at the end of moves if you want it to come out at the end of a move. This might also be affecting why round 2 clash feels unresponsive to inputs.
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[12] Conqueror
I have a few questions, mainly about Mitsu.

The main questions I have are;

how is 2KB on normal hit both with the mist transition and without it (it looked like it had better frames on the mist transition from what I saw in trailers).

What is mitsu's 66B? Is it like SCV?

Is 6b2 stab punishable?

Are 2Ks still stab punishable?

Does b6 give a full launcher combo on lethal hit?

Does 4B knockdown on normal hit?

About how many frames do you think it takes to guard after stepping? Just a general guess works (so does "fast enough" lol)

Can you eliminate run counter by tapping forward? Like if sophie hit 2A, mitsu stepped, sophie does another 2A, does it counter hit if mitsu taps forward?

Does TAS AA only give you a TAS B on counter hit? I assume yes.

Have you found any consistent way to cause a Lethal Hit?

Are you having fun?

I guess that's it for now.


[08] Mercenary
How early do Reversal Edge invincible frames (the auto guard, not the attack itself) start? No need for exact frames, but I'd really like to know if it's frame 1 or much later in the animation like for example armor moves from Tekken...


Hey man could you try the following

See if while landing attacks are in the game.

Test if throw breaking is the same as SC5.

Test if GB attacks beat GI/RE.

Silent Joel

[12] Conqueror
  • Is there Red GI again? Does it give CH followup and can you do it against Unblockables like SC4.
  • Can you GI RE? Does RE track if you walk all around the opponent.
  • Confirm if there is WL B is just 9b?
  • Which attacks get buffed by SoulCharge?
  • Sophitia has TAS B? How unsafe and can you do 2 if you get it on tip like SC4.
  • Does Sophitia have WR A+B? Is it UB and how stages of charge?


[14] Master
Can you test if Sophitia's A+B can counter Mid Thrusting Verticals again because neither of the Pyrrha's could aGI Mid Thrusting Verticals in SCV.


[10] Knight
^Yeah that was going to be my question as well, how do throw breaks function now?

Also I think I saw something curious in the masher footage... does CE have cancel properties? Like can you cancel moves with CE?


^Yeah that was going to be my question as well, how do throw breaks function now?
My guess would be pressing (hopefully holding) 4/6 which to me seems like a excellent change no more stupid mashing and they happen to throw that dumb frame or so when it wasn't pressing and end up getting thrown.

Less likely for opponent to be attacking and getting a throw tech just because they happened to use a A or B attack in that moment aswell.

This would also super help Hlide and her charges being able to still tech and use her charges the same.

Like oh look NM with his back to the edge none of this 'mash B like your putting out a fire' crap, just hold (for example) 4/back, sorted.

I actually would be very happy if this turns out to be the case.

EDIT: @Futabot So it's a 4A and 6A to break? Can you be holding the 4/6 and mashing A or mashing both?
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Party Wolf


Can you 3B after a GI before your opponent can block?

Can you Guard Impact a critical edge?

Can you Guard Impact an unblockable?

Can you reversal edge an unblockable?