Ever had to dumb-down your offense for noobs?

True, some people who mashed attacks randomly can be even harder to beat than veteran players, because they are so unpredictable and don't care about their lifebar.

As the saying goes, "The scariest man of all is the one who doesn't fear Death". X-D

And of course, losing to a button-masher (which I used to, and still am now sometimes) is the worst **** that can happen to any SC player.
It totally crushes and destroys all your ego.


lol ya, thats exactly what i mean...
This one time i actually was having a hard time with a scrubb because he/she would always get up and attack, never guarding on wake-up...

i mean you give them enough credit to THINK that they would actually BLOCK for once on wake-up after getting knocked down 2-3 times in a row but NO... they just keep on commin...

and like you said their attacks are unpredictable as shit... especially if they're spamming with MAXI (oh dear god) ... so it turns out that i lost to that one scrub. but that was long ago... and now that i learned that i must use my scrub tactics to BEAT a SCRUB, i will never lose to a scrub again. The End.
 
and like you said their attacks are unpredictable as shit... especially if they're spamming with MAXI (oh dear god)

Maxi is a mashable/scrubbable charatcer to use. However knowing maxi is your key to defeting maxi. When people incinuate that maxi is a "noob" type character, it offends me, so i feel obligated to come to his defense. However maxi is uaually the first character that noobs pick and therefore maxi gets a bad rep.

Back on topic: I to have dumbed down my offense, but for a few reasons. If im in a room bored out of my mind and this is the first guy ive seen in 20 minutes, then beating his ass will make him leave and I dont want to do that. Thats not usually the case though, i usually dont have an issue finding matches. Or if a guy comes in and he explains that hes a newbie Ill help him out. I have been known on a lot of occasions to help out people that need a few achivments real quick. I had a few people help me out so its the least I could do.

But to those scrubby, spammin, cocky ass bastards that come in my room and try to take on the world. I unleash my full fury on them with no regrets. I can tell in the first 5 hits rather he knows what hes doing or not. so depending on the behavior of the other character, i will adjust accordingly. Noobs used to give me trouble with the continuous BB's or 2A's etc. and it would piss me off. Broke a controller once because of it. But now I try to help those that ASK FOR IT!!! and beat the crap out of those that deserve it!!
 
Dibiddily: I ran into a sets guy who would mix up the 66BA with 66B A_B+G... got me a coupel times :)

Heh, I'd say that could have been me since I used to do that a lot, but I stopped when I realized a good player can duck and punish either way. I've since switched to 66A+B or mixing up throws and the B+K combos.
 
Maxi is a mashable/scrubbable charatcer to use. However knowing maxi is your key to defeting maxi. When people incinuate that maxi is a "noob" type character, it offends me, so i feel obligated to come to his defense. However maxi is uaually the first character that noobs pick and therefore maxi gets a bad rep.
Maxi mashers are the best though. All you gotta do is hit BB any time they pause. It utterly destroys their game. The only way to really lose to a Maxi masher is to try and block what they're throwing at you. Doable if you know Maxi or can read their pattern. (Usually a masher will just keep doing the same string over and over with few variations. They tend to be happy as long as Maxi keeps chugging along.) Otherwise, you're just playing into their offense for no reason.
 
lol, I love blocking newbish maxi strings.. if you know maxi really well, it's so easy to duck and block all day long. It's when good players start cancelling and doing fake loops and mind game mixups, then he becomes dangerous.
 
yeah, i was sittin around a gaming center a while ago scrubbing the living shit out of people with talim.

They refused to block after WC throw, so they kept eatting BT B.

People were convinced talim was broken. i was convinced their block button was broken.
 
I do 2k until they learn to block it. Then I do WR B. Then I do 2k again until they develop reflexes. I then give them a pat on the head as positive reinforcement.

^Maxi mashers ARE fun. Rock destroys them hilariously.
 
Yep. It's funny while I use Yoshimitsu.

I just spam CH bA all day while my sub-par friends go, "omg super fast unblockable is so cheap"
I silently laugh and continue to land the CH.



Though it's even better with Cervy and Lizardman, since iGDR and LC own face vs. newbs/noobs.
 
How to beat button mashers?

Asta 1[a] b or bullrush

Mitsu bb or 2k b
Raph BB
NM 1a 6kk
Cervantes telport shenanigans
Occasional grabs.

Yup, thats it.
 
love fightin noob maxi and kiliks... i lose a couple of rounds first then when they think their going to win I make a comeback
 
IMO, level of play always goes to level 1 against an opponent you've never played before. If the person knows basics of the game, he won't attack after being interrupted, so you move on and get to step your game up again.

If they don't know the basics of the game and you BB them once then go for a low and they BB and interrupt you, you get to start over and BB the shit out of them until they learn. Your game progresses as their game progresses. You can't cancel strings and mix them up if they don't even know their being mixed up. So you beat the shit out of them until they learn and then mix it up.

If your basics of the game > their basics then you should always be winning. Fundamentals for SC4 are the most important part of this game. Gimmicks and mix ups come second.

So the higher your level and understanding of the game allows you to play a game they don't even know about yet and you get control of the whole fight. If they don't know you have + frames after a certain attack, you keep drilling it into their head until they figure it out. Then they finally start blocking and you start throwing instead of picking up CH's.

I like it when I play against people who don't know what they're doing. Cause I can play Algol and BB them to death. BB BB BB BB BB throw. Win.
 
I tend to Let people that really do not know how to play Breathe especially in the first or 2nd round after i won the 1st one Even when i play on ranked sometimes.
I have lost a few times from Kiliks and Cervantes's to spammers (different than mashers) and a few from RO's mainly from mashers but the main thing is to have fun and i like to make an opponent think they could win,that makes em play again and not run when they see your name come up.
Yup it may have cost me some % on ratings and such but i don't intend to win any nationals anyway so it does not really hurt
i like to win in style whenever possible :)
 
NM is my choice for button mashers, just spam
-nss [a],[a],[a],[a],[a],[a].....if they ever block press k
-1,a+b,2a+b
-1a6,kk
-punches
makes scrubs think my NM is awesome
 
I agree with alot of you even though I attack on wakeup until im punished for it (Voldos wakeup game is good) but I just B,B until they learn to block and when they do block I grab.

Ive also noticed if you grab the oppenent when they are waking up you get them 95% of the time because most noobs dont stop grabs and if they decide to block this time because the silly noob is learning they get grabbed
 
Well, if I'm playing somebody who has little or no experience with soul calibur, I ask them two questions.

"Do you just wanna play and have some fun or do you want to learn and get better?". If they say they just feel like playing around, I make sure not to pick Voldo.

If they want to learn, I then ask them if they want me to help teach them some things or if they want to just play and learn on their own. If it's the former, I'll usually pick a number of characters, show them some things and tell them what they should do to get around it, etc.

If they say the latter, that's when I just pull out the gimp and go hogwild on them, let them learn through their mistakes and offer a few constructive comments/advice inbetween matches.

Though, even then yeah it's usually dumbed down for two reasons

1. The reason we're (I'm speaking generally now, as in decent players, not saying I'm great) good is that we know the fundamentals of the game and, when facing other players who do, know that we have to outplay them mentally. We use a variety of moves and mixups because we have too, because our opponents won't fall for the same thing over and over. If the opponent *will* fall for the same thing over and over, then there is often little reason to use more than a couple moves and, in fact, trying to pull everything out of the bag of tricks is probably more likely to make you lose as we usually pull those moves out because we know that the opponent would expect/be prepared for the most logical moves and vice versa. You can't predict what your opponent is going to do if your opponent doesn't know what he's going to do, so sticking with the basics and what's safe means you win

2. Dumbing down your game makes learning easier for anybody you're trying to help teach. Learning through repetition is time-tested.
 
i just beat mashers by 6 BBB:B with raph works every time lol
also spamming Vourlock envelopment to A or B+G works too
 
Nothing wrong with dumbing-down your offense for the occasional spam newb. The best case scenario is they ask you what they were doing wrong. Just don't make a habit of fightin' newbs or it can be hard to adapt back to fighting real competition.
 
Taki's game is usually all about mixups.

Against noobs, her game consists of: BB, BBB, AB4A+B
That's it. You mix up BB and BBB, then do AB4A+B to interrupt stuff.
 
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