Ever had to dumb-down your offense for noobs?

I get this issue a lot. On one hand they're easy to beat, but do to the button mash strategy your forced to always choose the fastest combos for CH since psyching them out isn't gonna buy time for other moves. You don't wanna spam the same move in fear they'll quit or bitch...but really...If a noob is gonna keep waking up with the same move I'm gonna spam Ivy's SW 6, 3B, 4K, 22K, 214K all day on their ass. Hell usually 22K, 214K is enough.

Annoys me though because when i see noob i instantly want to do a CS/SS or a 5JF but can never pull them off because i can't get them to pause for the needed half second since you can't train them.

I've lost to a few noobs simply because i was trying to milk the match for fun and they fluke out when i decide to stop it.
 
Changing your offence while playing noobs is nothing bad. Its just a tactic, and good player dont play the same way vs all characters and styles of play. It would be pretty stupid playing the game based on framedata vs opponent who doesn’t know what framedata, or sometimes even guard, is.

I usually don’t try to destroy my opp if he is noob, I have bad habit of playing with him. It's not that bad also.

What is really bad, is playing this way when your opp is not a noob but just a player weaker then you. I have this problem, i just cant play my best, I must make funny things, unblockables that doesn’t connect, random jumps, crappy and weird combos sometimes i even loose because of that but i still playing this way like dumm. Its my weakness. And i only play this way in SC.
 
cheeseoftheday said:
aker then you. I have this problem, i just cant play my best, i must make funny things, unblockables that doesn’t connect, random jumps, crappy and weird combos sometimes i even loose because of that but i still playing this way like dumm. Its my weakness. And i only play this way in sc.
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qft ,,,,
 
i just keep taking hits until they get me near the ring edge then i either step them or GI them and give em the ol' 6K out the ring. i try to make it look like luck so they will get mad and keep trying. but if they happen to get a round on me its 4BBK 2A 1K 4BBK until death. sadly it works on most noobs.
 
Ah, I know this feeling too well. I have friends that are easily discouraged when I play better than they do - woe is me, no one will pick up Guilty Gear in my town! - so I consistently have to play at roughly 20% of my max output, and even then I still win nine out of ten matches. the only advantage it confers is that I begin to look as though I'm being given a workout.

For example, I had a friend over a while back, and was planning to play SCIV with him. This would be his first time playing the game. I explained the basic mechanics - A, B, K, G, stepping, etc. - and played a few warm-up rounds with him, then busted out Mi-Na and tested his Voldo. As I expected, he began whining and complaining, making a point of his inexperience. I reiterated the basics to him - I emphasized in particular that he could guard and sidestep attacks instead of mashing the B button and getting CHed constantly - but he continued to complain. Desperate to see how much patience my friend had, I switched to Rock and began spamming moves I knew to be slow and unsafe, just to see if he could adapt to, react to, and punish even the most basic tactic. He could not. I gave up and suggested we do something else.

My friend scored in the high 30s on his ACT. He loves chess and is very skilled at the game. One would think he'd be a little bit more of a natural strategist, even in an unfamiliar environment.
 
Yeh I've had to dumb down offense before. With Sieg SBH A+B you can't cancel it agaisnt noobs they just hit you in the face
 
Darago said:
Ah, I know this feeling too well. I have friends that are easily discouraged when I play better than they do - woe is me, no one will pick up Guilty Gear in my town! - so I consistently have to play at roughly 20% of my max output, and even then I still win nine out of ten matches. the only advantage it confers is that I begin to look as though I'm being given a workout.

For example, I had a friend over a while back, and was planning to play SCIV with him. This would be his first time playing the game. I explained the basic mechanics - A, B, K, G, stepping, etc. - and played a few warm-up rounds with him, then busted out Mi-Na and tested his Voldo. As I expected, he began whining and complaining, making a point of his inexperience. I reiterated the basics to him - I emphasized in particular that he could guard and sidestep attacks instead of mashing the B button and getting CHed constantly - but he continued to complain. Desperate to see how much patience my friend had, I switched to Rock and began spamming moves I knew to be slow and unsafe, just to see if he could adapt to, react to, and punish even the most basic tactic. He could not. I gave up and suggested we do something else.

My friend scored in the high 30s on his ACT. He loves chess and is very skilled at the game. One would think he'd be a little bit more of a natural strategist, even in an unfamiliar environment.
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I hate to say it but it seems like fighting games and some shooters require a different kind of "intelligence". Maybe that's not the word I'm looking for. Getting a good score on standardized tests for school doesn't necessarily equate to being smart. Having a great memory will get you far enough in school. I have great reasoning skills and recognize patterns in everything. That's what got me through school. Some people thought I was a genius when I know that I'm not.

For fighting games, you have to be able to recognize things and be able to react to them. Doing this on the fly is what separates good/pro/hardcore players from casual players.
 
I usually don't bother. My game is pretty much based around oki and punishment, so it's really hard for me to dumb it down.
 
Hustle_Man_77 said:
I hate to say it but it seems like fighting games and some shooters require a different kind of "intelligence".
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This.

Has anyone else seemed to notice that people who are good at FPS games suck at fighters? I have friends that play games like Halo and CoD all the time, and when we break out the SC, they get owned horribly even though I told them the rules and tricks such as stepping and the ever infamous low block.
 
i beat somebody using sets..all i did was 33B
he was kilik, and one of those kiliks that STAY on the ground because they think waking up with one of his special moves is so amazing and unexpected after 40 times. Of course, I was called the noob.

Generally i just go Hilde and RO combo to speed things along.
 
dont agree with the fps comment no way. anyway the scrubs/noobs/douchebags theyre there for gi fun aint they, dont hate them just make them look stupid.
 
actually just though i got a mate whos an fps nut and wont even try playing sc its 'gay manga or something' apparantly lol, so maybe your right.
 
Well, in my opinion, it's hard to teach a new player the mechanics of the game, even if you tell them exactly what they need to do.

On the first time playing a game, there's no way for a player to know how effective moves are, what character does what, how fast players step, etc. To really see any "development", it tends to take two or three times of playing, depending on the person. But the first time is always going to be awful, no matter how good of a gamer you are or how smart you are, pretty much.

Some people take longer than that even when told what to do...but those people probably won't get that good no matter how long it takes. I mean let's be honest, if you can't follow instructions when you're familiar with the situation and you know exactly what to do, you probably aren't going to get it later on either. That, or you'll progress very slowly.
 
pineapplejuice said:
dont agree with the fps comment no way. anyway the scrubs/noobs/douchebags theyre there for gi fun aint they, dont hate them just make them look stupid.
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I play a shooter and every time I make a bad player look stupid, they say I'm being "cheap" or a "noob", etc. People get MORE pissed off and try to make you look even worse when they're looking like even more of fools. I know it doesn't make sense/shouldn't logically happen/etc, but people have to feel better about themselves somehow. More psychological damage done to a person=more ego compensation required.

It'd make sense for them to just give up and say "Ah, man, I guess I was wrong. You're making me look like an idiot. I'll get better." But anyone who thinks that way won't remain a bad player for long.

Had to edit this post about a billion times in half a minute, but I think that's where I wanna leave it.
pineapplejuice said:
actually just though i got a mate whos an fps nut and wont even try playing sc its 'gay manga or something' apparantly lol, so maybe your right.
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Some people play FPS games because they're "manly" and "realistic" etc... and hate anime and similar stuff stuff because it's "gay".

Yeah, I dunno :/ Don't ask me. No one really plays a game because they enjoy it anymore, now we gotta have good graphics and realistic mechanics.
 
farranpoison said:
This.

Has anyone else seemed to notice that people who are good at FPS games suck at fighters? I have friends that play games like Halo and CoD all the time, and when we break out the SC, they get owned horribly even though I told them the rules and tricks such as stepping and the ever infamous low block.
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People in general aren't very good at fighters. They just don't play them. The learning curve on a fighter is such that unless you spend a non-trivial number of hours, you're just going to have a lot of trouble getting the hang of it. Unlike a shooter where you do damage by firing a gun which is more or less the same in any other shooter, fighters require you to have more knowledge in order to deal damage effectively.

I'm assuming your friends don't play sc4 much.
 
Hustle_Man_77 said:
I hate to say it but it seems like fighting games and some shooters require a different kind of "intelligence". Maybe that's not the word I'm looking for. Getting a good score on standardized tests for school doesn't necessarily equate to being smart. Having a great memory will get you far enough in school. I have great reasoning skills and recognize patterns in everything. That's what got me through school. Some people thought I was a genius when I know that I'm not.

For fighting games, you have to be able to recognize things and be able to react to them. Doing this on the fly is what separates good/pro/hardcore players from casual players.
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Chess is a slow game of thought (I play chess and I'd consider myself pretty damn good at it having been in tournaments and what not)..or slow on the scale of sports or videogames. And getting a good score on a test doesn't equate AT ALL to an ability to react. Fighting games are three things: reaction time, strategy, and practice. If you are even missing one your probably gonna get beat. Generally. I can pick up a fighting game and beat someone whose pretty good in it, but thats only because I have the basics of ALL fighting games by having played and gotten really good at one. I played basketball in high school and for ACU teams (free shoes is the shit..lol) and while I might not have played lacrosse before my freshman year in college, it wasn't hard to pick up because basketball and soccer gave me a good premise for the game. So while this kid might be "smart" or be good at a strategy game..he's missing the reaction time and the practice. And some people just don't care enough about video games to have the patience to lose 100 times before they get good while others are just naturally inclined to be good at games (*raises hand). I guess it might even be simply put a some s how some people's brains are wired.

now to the actual question of the thread...lol...yes...many times in ranked and player matches. In ranked I just fuck around and get the win anyway (use bad moves ect.) until I get too annoyed with them at which point I just BB them to death. On player matches I just go straight to the BB once I realize they WILL NOT BLOCK and then leave the room. Sometimes I'll send a message alerting to them of the "block" button sometimes I won't be up to bothering to type anything out.
 
Gods-Spartan said:
I love scrub Kilik. Knock em down...and they think A+B will save them. Titan Bomb bait all day!!!!
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Another fun one is yoshi's 9B+K, B stomps. Just spam that until they die on the ground because they feel that A+B is god (I have to admit...early on I was fucked up by many a kilik scrub with this move though...cuz I would go into DGF and then get fuckd by the move)
 
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