Frame Data

Tiamat

Tiamat

[11] Champion
thanks to TWISTED JESTER for his hard work on this data!

Attack Speed

i13 236~GS A {GI 1}
i14 K / 6K
i15 ag:A / 6A / 3K / 1K / WS K / FC K / FCC K
i16 aB / 66K / 33_99K / WS B / BT K / BT B+K
i17 A_B+G / A / agA / 4K / FC A
i19 bA / 11_77K / A+K / BT A_B+G / BT 2K
i20 FC 3B / iWS K / BT A
i21 2K / iWS B / BT 2A
i22 6B / 33_99B / 2A+B / FC 1_2B / FC A_B+G / 236~GS A {GI 2}
i23 3A / B / 3B / 2B / 8K / WS A / 236~GS A
i24 B+K~NSS K
i25 2A / 66B+K / iFC 3B / BT 2B
i26 8A / 22_88A / 11_77A / BT B
i27 iFC A_B+G
i28 66A / 33_99A / 11_77B / B+K~NSS 236~GS A{GI 1} / iWS A
i29 1A / 4A / 1B / 236~GS K
i30 44K / B+K~b:A
i31 B+K~bA
i32 66B / 3A+B / 236~GS B
i33 22_88B / WL~G
i34 8B / B+K~NSS A+B
i35 44B
i36 4[K] / A+B
i37 B+K~NSS 236~GS A{GI 2}
i38 4B / B+K~NSS 236~GS A
i39 66A+B / B+K~NSS A
i40 2B+K
i41 WL~K
i42 B+K~NSS B / B+K~NSS 236~GS K
i43 236~GS A+B
i47 B+K~NSS 236~GS B
i49 1[A]
i57 B+K~NSS 236~GS A+B
i66 4A+B

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K (i13)~i14 – some rare situations where it trades whereas 6K doesn’t. Those moves are 99% the same speed and both trade in the same situation, but there are exceptions where only K does (against particular slow moves).

2A+B (i20)~i21~(i22) – depending on how close the enemy gets, speed varies. I.e. against advancing moves (enemy hit box close), it can be i20, against keep-out moves, it’s i22. Often enough, it’s i21.

WS A (i22)~i23 – faster against some move types.

B+K~NSS B i41~42 – fairly unreliable impact frame.

1[A] i49~i50 – depending on what move it goes against.

NSS A - avoids a number of linear attacks before and during impact frame.


Frame Data

A
B -7~-5
H -3~-1
C +0~2

[A]
~NSS

A,A
B -14~-13
H -4~-3
Close impact only near wall or after 1st hit whiffs (crouch~block).

A,A*B
B -18~-17*
H x

A,2A
B -16~-15*
H x
Close impact only near wall or after 1st hit whiffs (crouch~block).

A,2A,A
B -18~-17*
H x

aB
B -3
H +9
C +11

[aB]
~NSS

agA
B +0~2
H x

a:G:A (fast input)
B +2~4(?)
H x

ag:A (slow input)
B +8~10
H x

6A
B -17~-14
H -8~--5
C x
Earliest impact only at point blank or against wall.

3A
B -23~-22
H -8~-7
C x

3A,A
B -22~-21
H x

3A,2A
B -18~-17*
H x

3A,2A6
~GS

2A
~FC
B -18*
H -2

1A
B -21~-18*
H x

1A6
~GS

1[A]
B +3~6
H x

1[A]6
~GS

1aK
B +1
H x

1[a]K
B +1
H x

4A
B +3~4
H x

7A
B -12~-11
H +2~3!

8_9A
B -12~-11
H x

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66A
B -3~-1
H x

33_99A
B -5~-3
H x

22_88A
B -16~-14
H +0~2

22_88A,B
B -17~-16*
H x

44A
11_77A
B -14~-12
H x

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B
B -7~-6
H -2~-1
C +0~1

B,B
B -16
H -3

B,B,B
B -26~-24*
H x

bA
B -21~-20
H x

bA6
~GS

6B
B -28~-26
H -17~-15

6B:B
B -21~-19
H x
SC
B -5~-3

3B
B1 -14*
B2 -14*
H1 x
H2 +0
C1 x
C2 +0
SC
B +0

3
~NSS

2B
~FC
B -8
H +0
D +0*

1B
B -8~-7*
H +5~6
C +9~10

1
~NSS

4B
B -4~-2
H x

7B
B -5~-4*
H +1~2*

8_9B
B -5~-4*
H x

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66B
B -4
H x
SC
B +4

33_99B
B -25~-24
H x
C x

33_99B6
~GS

22_88B
~FC
B -21~-20*
H x

11_77B
B -17~-16*
H -3~-2
C x

44B
~FC
B -16~-15*
H x

44B,B
B -22~-21
H x

44B,
~NSS

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K
B -8
H +2

6K
B -11
H -3
C x

3K
B -9
H +0
D +0*

3[K]
B -4
H x

2K
B -12~-11*
H -7~-6

2[K]
B x
H x

1K
~FC
B -14*
H -4
C +2

4K
B -16
H -5
C -2

4K*K
B -4
H x
C x

4[K]
B -16
H -5

4[K]*K
B -4
H x
C x

4[K]B
B -28~-26
H -17~-15

4[K]B:B
B -21~-19
H x
SC
B -5~-3

7_8_9K
B -9~-8
H1 +5~6
H2 +8
H3 +10
Late impact only occurs at far / max range and never on block.

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66K
33_99K
B -13
H -5
C +2

66K6
~GS

22_88K
B -10*
H x

22_88K6
~GS

11_77K
B -5~-4
H +4~5
C x

44K
~BT/FC
B -12~-10/-17~-15
H x
Delay concerns attacks only. Safe on block. Just frame timing when fully grounded gives BT +4~6.

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A+B
B -23
H x

3A+B
B -18~-17*
H x

2A+B
B -18*
H x

4A+B
B x
H x

66A+B
~FC
B -16~-15
H x

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A+K
B -20
H x

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2B+K
~FC
B +3*
H x

66B+K
~FC
B -4~-3*
H x

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WS A
B -14~-12
H -3~-1

WS A,A6
~GS

WS A,A
B -23~-22
H x

FC A
~FC
B -18~-17*
H -8~-7
C -3~-2

WS B
B -20~-19
H x
C x
SC
H x

WS
~NSS

FC 3B
B -20~-18
H1 x
H2 -9

FC B
~FC
B -8
H +0
D +0*

WS K
B -6~-5
H +4~5

FC K
~FC
B -14*
H -4
C +2

FC A_B+G
~FC
B -18*
H x

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BT A
B -2
H +8

BT 2A
~FC
B -6
H +4

BT B
B -6
H +4
D +4*

BT 2B
~FC
B -8
H +0
D +0*

BT K
B -4
H +4

BT 2K
~FC
B -20*
H x

BT B+K
B -14
H x

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GS A
B -17~-16
H +7~8!
C +18

GS B
B -22~-21
H x
C x

GS B6
~GS

GS
~NSS

GS K
B -42
H -29

GS K,K
B -11
H x

GS A+B
B -22
H x

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NSS A
B -13~-11
H +1~3

NSS [A]
~NSS

NSS B
B -20~-19*
H -4~-3
C x

NSS bA
B -18
H x
SC
B +6

NSS b:A
B -18
H x
SC
B +6

NSS K
B -18~-17
H x
C x

NSS A+B
B -17~-16
H x
SC
B +0~1
 
couldn't do a search due to minimum letter requirements.. but which are his best moves to transistion to NSS on block ?
I'm guessing 11 is massively better than 3
 
Anyone feel like testing the frames of the A+B counterattack on block? It might be the same as regular A+B but with more push-back, has anyone looked into this?
 
microgamer said:
Anyone feel like testing the frames of the A+B counterattack on block? It might be the same as regular A+B but with more push-back, has anyone looked into this?
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I actually think NM/opponent is on even frames.. i used to do 33B after it gets blocked.. and manage to outspeed them

-LAU
 
WuHT said:
couldn't do a search due to minimum letter requirements.. but which are his best moves to transistion to NSS on block ?
I'm guessing 1 is massively better than 3
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So since I can't really find it it TM's frame data, i'm probably gonna answer my own question
against a wall gs~NSS K will NOT get CH'd by i10 (taki AA) i12 (yun's K) but will get get CH'd by i13 moves (Ks..raph's 6B)
So i'm assuming that NSS K didni't start until 13 frames after transition from gs. Now gs~NSS K clashes with i21 (8K and 4K from mitsu) so we can deduce that NSS K is a i8 move from NSS.

Now we can build the rest of the NSS frame data relative to that , which leads me to have b:A at i14, A at i23, and A+B at i18.

The best transition seems to be (all on block)
1 at long range,
1 up close--b:A trades with i13 (so +1)
[A]--b:A trades with i14 (0)
a--b:A trades with i15 (-1)
up close NSS [A]--b:A trades with i16 (-2)
wr --b:A trades with i18 (-4)
3--k trades with i16 (-8)
GS --k trades with i21 (-13)

Is this all common knowledge.... am i off ? the only problem is this seems kinda silly is that 2A defeats a lotta options
 
well from a certain range, NSS [A] blocked > NSS K will beat 2As. also [A] > NSS K will beat 2As

unless it's Maxi.
 
microgamer said:
Anyone feel like testing the frames of the A+B counterattack on block? It might be the same as regular A+B but with more push-back, has anyone looked into this?
Click to expand...

Interesting query. So I decided to do it. Funny thing about A+B is it has a TC. Didn't test for those frames yet. The A+B counter on block is -14.

EDIT: The TC is somewhere around the 31st frame.
 
sure A+B got TC frames... but like you said.. when it's kinda ridiculous like frame 31... it becomes useless.. and if you do manage to TC you just got lucky.

-LAU
 
WuHT said:
So since I can't really find it it TM's frame data, i'm probably gonna answer my own question
against a wall gs~NSS K will NOT get CH'd by i10 (taki AA) i12 (yun's K) but will get get CH'd by i13 moves (Ks..raph's 6B)
So i'm assuming that NSS K didni't start until 13 frames after transition from gs. Now gs clashes with i21 (8K and 4K from mitsu) so we can deduce that NSS K is a i8 move from NSS.

Now we can build the rest of the NSS frame data relative to that , which leads me to have b:A at i14, A at i23, and A+B at i18.

The best transition seems to be (all on block)
1 at long range,
1 up close--b:A trades with i13 (so +1)
[A]--b:A trades with i14 (0)
a--b:A trades with i15 (-1)
up close NSS [A]--b:A trades with i16 (-2)
wr --b:A trades with i18 (-4)
3--k trades with i16 (-8)
GS --k trades with i21 (-13)

Is this all common knowledge.... am i off ? the only problem is this seems kinda silly is that 2A defeats a lotta options
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Excellent. I gotta dblcheck these =)
 
Wow this really helps I do GS K a lot never thought it was that bad and I use that move a lot o.O nice post it helps.
 
EVA_PHANTOM said:
Wow this really helps I do GS K a lot never thought it was that bad and I use that move a lot o.O nice post it helps.
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Hehe....just make sure you do GS KK all the time, and pray the people you play with don't know to duck the second hit after blocking the first.
 
Yea I kinda try to use that move as a mixup but they kinda put me on block or they get a hit on me or they just keep on blocking it works sometimes.
 
"44K
~BT/FC
B -12~-10/-17~-15
H x
Delay concerns attacks only. Safe on block. Just frame timing when fully grounded gives BT +4~6."

What does it mean on "Just frame timing when fully grounded give BT +4~6"? Does it mean the Grounded hit?

I watched a Korean vids, which showed the JF 44K. How can I do it? Any idea?

Thank you.
 
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