Hardest Character to master and win with.

To anyone who says 'Hilde'... all I gotta say is.. "LOL"

Out of all my years playing the Soul series and out of all the characters I've bothered to learn, Hilde has been by far the easiest to learn, "master", and win with.

I have a feeling that anyone who argues against this has not bothered to learn her. I thought she would be extremely difficult before I learned her, but once I picked her up I was shocked at just how easy she was.

This is speaking from experience using her with a pad with button binds. So I can't speak for stick Hilde, since I don't have as much experience using her with one, but I'd imagine it would be the complete opposite on a stick.
 
Astaroth actually seems easy to use to me.

There is a big difference between mastering and winning with.

Rock isn't too hard to master at all, but winning with him is the kind of thing that should get you a medal of honor.

Setsuka on the flip side is very hard to master, but once you do winning is a breeze.

There are some that are both hard to master AND hard to win with like Tira. And some that are both easy to master and win with like Hilde (THAT'S RIGHT I SAID IT!)
 
depends on your definition of winning

win casuals often vs good players?
win local tournament vs mediocre players?
win local tournament vs great players?
win major tournament vs great players?
win tournament vs great players WHO ALSO are experts at fighting your particular character?

surely one of the most subjective words used in fighting game discussion is "winning"
 
Obviously Setsuka is the hardest to master, and I hope OP honestly doesn't think its still Asta. >_>

I dont agree with the list either, but i'm not here to argue. just sayin.
 
I'm going to give Apprentice a mention here. Mostly for his general lack of mix up options.
He's certainly fun to play as though
 
I would have to say that Asta is on my top 3 list as hardset character to play as well. Being a Taki player myself, I find him to be very slow to me and I find it difficult to use some of his more advanced tactics in actual play against more seasoned opponents. Ivy is up there too, especially against more experienced opponents.
However, Rock is there as well, seeing as it is rather difficult to chain together his throwing game.
 
I agree that Mi-na is the hardest to win with. I personally think that Mi-na is one of the video game world's biggest, I dunno, joke, oxymoron, juxtaposition. Her entire gameplan is revolve around spacing, keeping your opponent out of their attacking range, while keeping your moves at tip-range. The joke is, she has shit range. FC 1B and 66B- that's it. That's all she is that can be classified as long-range. I it wasn't for her preference for tip-range I would call her a short-mid ranged character due to the average reach of her moves. Who out ranges her? Siggy, Kilik, Nightmare, Asta, Vader, Hilde, Ivy... And numerous other can easily gain ground- Setsuka, Mitsu, Sophitia, Ceravtes, Cassandra... What a mess.

Edit: She's still awesome, though.
 
LGInfinite said:
I think you're missing 2A+B, which has crazy range as well and 44B. 1A and 2A also cover a lot of ground.
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Ick, 2A+B is slow as hell, it has a cancel- but I've found that to be kind of gimmicky and prone to failing. 44B can be used when? Very rarely in oki maybe. I think 2A is still firmly in mid-range. 1A is ok if a little slow.
Bleh. I guess I'm embellishing a little, but you see my point, right?
 
vane505 said:
I think it's quite interesting that noone else has mentioned Cervantes.
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your kidding right?

you have to be
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Nukleurfire said:
Ick, 2A+B is slow as hell, it has a cancel- but I've found that to be kind of gimmicky and prone to failing. 44B can be used when? Very rarely in oki maybe. I think 2A is still firmly in mid-range. 1A is ok if a little slow.
Bleh. I guess I'm embellishing a little, but you see my point, right?
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he knows his mina ish dont doubt him

nuklear fires the best mina i have ever played
 
angelic_fragment said:
your kidding right?

you have to be
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he knows his mina ish dont doubt him

nuklear fires the best mina i have ever played
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Ah man I feel and warm and gooey inside. Your 3 hour Angol Fear was the best I have ever played.
 
TBH, I haven't played him very much, but some stuff that makes him really hard to master.

* His punisher is very unsafe if blocked. If JF-input fails, he does standard 236B. One of the most damaging punishers in the game.
* WR A+BBBBB..... really hard to mash out. You have to bind ATLEAST two B-buttons to get it out. +13 on block(?) or something like that.
* His BT B+K(?not sure if that's the correct input?)-combo is really hard to pull off.
* His command-throw from FC should be executed as fast as possible from standing.
* He has some other not-very-hard JF as well, as teleport and so on.

Main thing is that if he fails any of these, he's either at a large disadvantage/miss out a whole combo. He's also quite hard to play well because of how unsafe he is. Sidenote: I still haven't seen a Cerv that uses everything he has (closest beeing Chans fd, but that's just executionwise, he's not the best Cerv overall).

Honestly, I don't see how Setsuka is much harder. She has more hard stuff, but nothing that's insanely hard to excecute.

What comes in mind (this is from my own experience, Voldo is my main, and Setsuka my secondary):
1A:A:A - somewhat tricky.
1B:B - Not hard to learn, dangerous to whiff.
214B+G - Not very hard at all. Start buffering on fifth hit.
Hitconfirm 33B CH/NH and correct followup - Atleast for me, the biggest challenge.
2143B:B - Easy
A+KB, 214~3A:B - Quite easy.

Allright, would say that Setsuka has more JF-moves and challenges to learn, but Cervantes has some of the hardest combos/execution in the game. Also, Setsuka is overall safe, while Cervantes is (overall) more unsafe, so he has to be played with more care.
 
When I wanted to try Mina, I started to think that I could use 4A+B mixups as my core game. It seemed fun and filled with potential mind games.
Until I realized that absolutely ALL her 4A+B options can be GIed at the exact same time.
...So her 4A+B move and options are 100% useless in theory fighter.

She has no sweet tricks, just risks and negative properties.
She makes Tira, Talim, Raphael and Rock look high-tier in comparison.
 
KingAce said:
In SC3 there where like 2 good Asta players, and 1 Ivy player in the US community. Powerfull characters but very hard to master...
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Dude, who WASN'T good w/Asta in SC3? There were MANY good players who used Astaroth, pretended to know what they were doing, and placed well in tourneys cause Astaroth was THAT good. You're spot on w/Ivy though.

I will make the case for Taki. She doesn't do a lot of damage, you have to constantly be thinking and knowing what to do next since nearly everything is a stance w/her. She's not brainless PO cancel mixups like she was in SC2. I think she's a very underrated char and not easy to win w/at all. Setsuka is pretty hard also and Cervantes isn't exactly easy himself. Overall, I say Taki. I also agree w/everything Vane said. As a Cervantes player, if you're not on point w/iGDR, iTP or even BASIC execution, you're fucked. Couldn't agree more.

angelic_fragment: Is Cervantes easy to play? Just curious cause you asked Vane if he was kidding for suggesting something pretty obvious...
 
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