Ivy matchups discussion and strategies

What about Ivy vs Pyrrha? I'm not sure whether to focus mostly on pressuring, punishing, or spacing. I thought I knew Pyrrha, but Pyrrha players seemed to have evolved so quickly that I have no idea now. Also, what's the best option for punishing her 236B? Is it worth the meter to use 1B BE?
 
KineticClash said:
What about Ivy vs Pyrrha? I'm not sure whether to focus mostly on pressuring, punishing, or spacing. I thought I knew Pyrrha, but Pyrrha players seemed to have evolved so quickly that I have no idea now. Also, what's the best option for punishing her 236B? Is it worth the meter to use 1B BE?
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1B BE combo or 6B8K are your best punishes.
 
They mean 1B BE for punishing.

I agree with Sora. I think it's worth punishing Pyrrha's stab with 1B BE. What we get:

Meterless - 6B8K (40 dmg) or 3B into something (~35 dmg)
50% - 1B BE, 6KB (68 dmg)
100% - CE (100 dmg)

CE isn't really worth it unless you are about to kill her. Also, you won't have a lot of changes to punish this move since it's mostly used for punishing.
 
Just found out how good 214B is against Asta, especially if you're at a disadvantage with frames.

For example, if you get hit with Asta 4B, 214B will avoid both another 4B and a grab.
 
KineticClash said:
Just found out how good 214B is against Asta, especially if you're at a disadvantage with frames.

For example, if you get hit with Asta 4B, 214B will avoid both another 4B and a grab.
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I'm not so sure about this one. Any good Asta will know that Ivy is at negative after 214B and is free to go for either command grab or bull rush without too much fear of punishment.
 
Sora said:
I'm not so sure about this one. Any good Asta will know that Ivy is at negative after 214B and is free to go for either command grab or bull rush without too much fear of punishment.
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You could always go for another 214B. It was mainly just a tactic to get out of the whole 4B/command grab trap.
 
It should be noted that Asta's 66K BE completely absorbs 214B. To make things worse, 66K BE "aGI" combos into 22_88B BE combo for a total of about 160 dmg or more.
 
Ring said:
It should be noted that Asta's 66K BE completely absorbs 214B. To make things worse, 66K BE "aGI" combos into 22_88B BE combo for a total of about 160 dmg or more.
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I just tested 66K BE immediately after a 4B hits. If Ivy uses 214B after a 4B hits, his 66K BE will hit her once and then veer off in the other direction. There is a very small window for which Asta can delay his 66K BE in order to aGI AND combo A regular 66K will whiff, while a charged one will get hit.

Also, immediately after Ivy's 214B hits, if she uses another 214B and he uses a 66K BE, his attack will completely whiff. He also can't grab you out of the second 214B.
 
Could anyone help me with dealing with Xiba. I feel he gets a free mixup on blocking a REM entry. Maybe, I just suck at seeing her tools, but could someone give me some advice against this. I know 214B can avoid all options on block, but you need to be quite on the ball and sometime it doesn't TC REM A.. If I block his REM mixups, I get outspaced.
 
Relius said:
Could anyone help me with dealing with Xiba. I feel he gets a free mixup on blocking a REM entry. Maybe, I just suck at seeing her tools, but could someone give me some advice against this. I know 214B can avoid all options on block, but you need to be quite on the ball and sometime it doesn't TC REM A.. If I block his REM mixups, I get outspaced.
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Try 4K.
 
KineticClash said:
I am in desperate need of Ivy vs Pyrrha matchup knowledge! Any help before tomorrow would be greatly appreciated!
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I'm very late in response, but in regards to Pyrrha punish punish punish lol if in doubt 6KBK
I might get smited down by all the adept ivy players in here, but personally I've noticed defensive playing seems to work best against the Pyrrha, But not against Omega, stupid pmt hyped bitty
 
bushindu said:
I'm very late in response, but in regards to Pyrrha punish punish punish lol if in doubt 6KBK
I might get smited down by all the adept ivy players in here, but personally I've noticed defensive playing seems to work best against the Pyrrha, But not against Omega, stupid pmt hyped bitty
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The problem with this is most Pyrrhas will not use many punishable attacks. For example, 66A, 88A, 66B, BB, AA, 88K, 3B (at range), 6B+K, 4K, and 66A+B are all not punishable. This leaves only 1K, which is very risky to duck, and 236B, which will likely not be used unless it hits. Also, I think Pyrrha can stab punish after the first hit in 6KBK. However, I can see this as being a way to bait a stab.

My theory is, whiff punishing should be the thing to do against Pyrrha. Most of her moves have shorter range than Ivy's, so you should be staying just outside of her reach. When one of her moves whiffs, use 6B for speed, 88 for damage, or 2B+K for range. Don't be afraid to backdash, since her most damaging way to kill backstep is with a stab, which is very risky to use out of the blue. Don't sidestep much against Pyrrha because of her 1K and 66A. Pyrrha does not do much guard damage with her non-punishable moves, so you don't have to worry about guarding too much. The main difficulty with this is just being patient enough to look for an opening. If anyone disagrees with this, I'd appreciate a second opinion.
 
KineticClash said:
The problem with this is most Pyrrhas will not use many punishable attacks. For example, 66A, 88A, 66B, BB, AA, 88K, 3B (at range), 6B+K, 4K, and 66A+B are all not punishable. This leaves only 1K, which is very risky to duck, and 236B, which will likely not be used unless it hits. Also, I think Pyrrha can stab punish after the first hit in 6KBK. However, I can see this as being a way to bait a stab.

My theory is, whiff punishing should be the thing to do against Pyrrha. Most of her moves have shorter range than Ivy's, so you should be staying just outside of her reach. When one of her moves whiffs, use 6B for speed, 88 for damage, or 2B+K for range. Don't be afraid to backdash, since her most damaging way to kill backstep is with a stab, which is very risky to use out of the blue. Don't sidestep much against Pyrrha because of her 1K and 66A. Pyrrha does not do much guard damage with her non-punishable moves, so you don't have to worry about guarding too much. The main difficulty with this is just being patient enough to look for an opening. If anyone disagrees with this, I'd appreciate a second opinion.
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but tbh if pyrrha is able to kill your side step, your fighting in her comfortable range, the more you can get her to come to you, the easier it is to get the openings
 
She is a very strong character. I think she has some of the best tools for reverse mixups in the game, like 22_88K, A+B etc. in addition her punishment game is very strong and she is quite safe. Her guard damage is not to be underestimated as well, with 4B, 44B+K, 3B, 66B etc she can have you blinking red very quickly.

22_88K can be really annoying, especially since Ivy lacks a quick, full tracking mid attack and most of her best anti step moves are high.

I do think Pyrrha can have slight advantage in this match-up. The way I approach it is to stay out of her range and focus on guard damage. Ivy's backdash is very good and Pyrrha doesn't have great backdash killers. At range Pyrrha can't punish Ivy that well, so a few moves can be abused. Ivy's definitely stronger at range, her zoning is better but up close it's the other way around, because of Pyrrha's reverse mixup and 236B which can limit Ivy's moveset a lot.
 
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