Maxis and Xperiments

Tiamat

Tiamat

[11] Champion
We had some fun matches and I'm uploaded quite a few of them. Maxi=fun. Millionz decided to do some Xperiments

keep in mind Chi is using a converter for his PS2 stick, and it seemed to have a little input lag, so his execution is a bit off



Tiamat vs Millionz 1-7

Fiendchi vs Millionz 1-6

Fiendchi (sieg) vs Millionz

Maxi mirror 1-4 and 2 match set
(two matches)

I sorted them by player vs player here, if you want to see chronological order see which order they were uploaded to youtube.


things I learned or was reminded of:
- RC B sucks near ring edges
- need to stop doing RC B when they start siderolling it on the ground, need stance cancel into something else
- me and millionz don't punish A+B~G from maxi well
- WL BBBA doesn't like to combo consistently on X (3rd hit often misses) and 236K tends to whiff after first hit unless very close
 
Nice! Great vids Tiamat! Thanks for your hard work putting them up. I haven't watched all of them, but 1 observation and 1 question:
observation: You guys need more ROB after CH 3B. It upped my game when I started nailing that and only using 3B,RO A when I was sure I wasn't getting a CH.
Question: After CH LO BK, how come you didn't do the foot stomp? I almost always do it, but I did see sometimes when people tech'd it, but I think that when they did, it was on normal hit. Are you getting better wakeups that way and protecting yourself from tech? I'm curious.
 
CH 3B > RO B is good, if you see RO A it's us failing the hit confirm. the problem with that hit confirm imo is that even if you can hit confirm it, you have to delay slightly and give up some of your "advantage" frames on the 3B in the event it was blocked.

I almost always did the foot stomp after CH LO B+K, Chi on the other hand did not. two times X evaded the 2B+K by teching and I'm not sure if I was just slow, or if she's just stupid like that. I know it fails on some characters after long combos but this was just from a simple CH LO BK, so I hope I was just doing it slow.
 
Okay, sorry, maybe I got confused. I was just clicking through the vids and i didn't realize until later that feindchi was playing maxi sometimes. I wondered why the style changed so much! :)

about the ROB: Yeah, its hard to confirm after the 3B or not, but the payout on CH 3B is much better to me with the RO B followup. Either you get the RC B/RC K damage and mixups, or i'm going to start trying out PSL3 into LI for awesome wakes if they tech. I guess i've been staying away from the 3B RO A followup lately anyway because of that whole discussion we had in the maxi forums about it being hella dangerous against people with high damage TC attacks.
 
yea style is almost totally different. should check out the mirror matches, it becomes even more obvious lol

fiendchi is always in the white 1P costume, I always use the blue 2P costume
 
finally got done watching ALL those damn videos. Holy crap. Im moving to where ever you guys are just so i can play maxi mirrors!!!!!

awesome stuff guys. I imagine that took a lot of work to do. Your awesome tiamat, you have the best videos hands down.

something I hardley ever use is that A+K evade (if you wanna call it that.) I will throw that out in the middle of loops if I suspect verticles coming but I usually got punished for it more than it worked out. But you guys used it a little different than I did. Gonna play with that for a few days.

great stuff guys. Fiendchi.......we defintely have to get some maxi mirrors on xbl. I know its online but good maxi players are hard to find. No offense to those I play regularly....you guys are good!!
 
Maxi has good tools anti himself in general XDDD .
Nice TC moves: 1B, 6A+B, 236K ...etc
Speed WS moves: WS A for punish(hey boys you gotta duck MAXI'S 66A) , WS B for setup(I don't do this much,but Tiamat was like addict on it XDD)


Somethings I gotta learn:
Step, I barely using it or 8WR ,althrough I am doing lots of PSL3_4.
poking, 3K 33K 1K ..etc should start doing 1A XD
patience, I have hard time to deal with turtle style.

somethings I feel interested:
I am trying to pull out more LO K "flying kick" which is my most favorite move. does good SGD, adv on block, coolest performance ..... you can easily find I was doing lots of PSL3_4>6 into LO .
CF setup, still working on it. gotta more 66B,G 66B+K 11B and LO K rape Soul guage!!
 
Yeah I think we both got some things we could copy from each other to improve. Right now I think we are too extreme opposite, it will be better if we get more similar.

I think your attack flow is better as you are generally more aggressive and use a wider variety of mixups and traps, which is especially important for Maxi. On the negative side it is somewhat more risky, as you commit to stances for more of the matches. Good stepping tactics (33A and 33K are especially useful setups) would be helpful as well, and I think it would make your attack flow even better. You generally punish things better than me.

I don't punish 66A, A+B~G and some other maxi moves consistently. I am more defensive and pick my spots, but maxi is not so high damage so this style is not as effective as with my other characters. Using more PSLs and frametrap moves such aK and RO KA like you do would add more variety to my mixups.

Maxi mirror is really fun. I copied 1B vs RO while playing Chi because he was doing it on me and told me about it. XD so you see me start do do things like FC 3AAA > G instead of RO moves to make 1B miss
 
I think they will lose to RO B because they are slower, though they would be more rewarding way to punish RO A. 1B beats all RO moves though. I haven't tested in depth so I cannot say for sure, I bet Chi will know.
 
Hmm..I am too lazy to test every situations XD.

vs 3B~RO 1B can crash every RO options, but fail against WL GI and PSL2_3_4 -__-
6A+B 236K have nice TC frame but slower.


also some bad info for maxi's aK , RO kA on Block, the fastest move come out is RO B which trade with i14 moves .means i13 FC A can kick your ass !!! though it has some range issue if maxi stop get into RO.

(PS:guys we should STOP discover maxi's flaws, he NEED SURVIVAL, j/k )
 
Fiendchi said:
also some bad info for maxi's aK , RO kA on Block, the fastest move come out is RO B which trade with i14 moves .means i13 FC A can kick your ass !!! though it has some range issue if maxi stop get into RO.

(PS:guys we should STOP discover maxi's flaws, he NEED SURVIVAL, j/k )
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I noticed that as well when I was testing it, FC A can beat your LO BK from aK...BUT...

aK (blocked) > natural shift to RC (their FC A miss) > RC A guarnateed whiff punish =)

also, I think RO KA is 1 frame more advantage on guard than aK, so keep that in mind
 
Fiendchi said:
Hmm..I am too lazy to test every situations XD.

vs 3B~RO 1B can crash every RO options, but fail against WL GI and PSL2_3_4 -__-
6A+B 236K have nice TC frame but slower.


also some bad info for maxi's aK , RO kA on Block, the fastest move come out is RO B which trade with i14 moves .means i13 FC A can kick your ass !!! though it has some range issue if maxi stop get into RO.

(PS:guys we should STOP discover maxi's flaws, he NEED SURVIVAL, j/k )
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Fiendchi just pulled a hotrod on us :)
Damnit man get the conventions correct!

LO B will trade with FC As after RO KA, but after aK, FC A wins. For the trade, you eat more damage than Maxi making FC A, a not so hot option

Entertaining vids to say the least. I think Taimat, you love RC B more than me now haha. RC K is good vs siderollers btw. How come you stopped using 4AB and 66B4 propeller stuff? You also need more 33K. From range vs those who like to uselessly dance back and forth, employ 11B. Good gauge damage.
Watching your vids, i think i'll start using 66B+K, it does a shitload of damage.
LI should be used more than LI B, cuz that extended TC is very important. When u think of it, LI B evades, and LI evades, now you may not always hit someone out of the attack, but you would most of the time evade it...but you will hardly ever outspeed an attack with it. LI is harder to hit maxi out of than LI B and the reward is a bit greater if it hits, and if it's blocked, you still have the initiative. Everytime you got hit out of LI B, LI would've won ;)
 
thanks for the tips kini I'll especially make sure to use more LI over LI B. ill try RC K vs rollers after A+B~G groundhit and mess with 11B. not sure what to say about the propellers...I feel I need to do more testing with it to use it better
 
Yeah, 11B rocks. Its his safest long range attack in my experience. You have to watch for 8wr because it will evade, but if they are dancing back and forth waiting to hit you with a juicy mid, 11b can ruin their day. After 2 or 3, they get impatient and run and then the RC games start. :)
 
I'll try more 11B at long range

why I don't GI her 33B:
I'm still used to the SC3 version where she could cancel on 2nd hit. Now she can cancel on first hit into stance but not second hit. I did not know this until that day.
 
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