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New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
Still no 360 patch here cause I just checked (Fri night).
Still no 360 patch here cause I just checked (Fri night).
New : v1.03 Patch in Japan.
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I still think throws should be steppable a la SCII...but that's mostly because it's such a hard habit to break. Overall these seem like fine changes and I'm still happy with Yoshi but goddamn I wish they'd fix Cassie's hitbox garbage and nerf Sophie before this game turns into a sisterfest again. Despite the nerf Amy still seems a tad OP(maybe not approaching X-tier but still) but at least she's a new character. It would be nice if the highest tier characters weren't the lamest (in my opinion) but I'm used to not wanting to touch great characters with a 10 foot pole by this point in the series.
I still think throws should be steppable a la SCII...but that's mostly because it's such a hard habit to break. Overall these seem like fine changes and I'm still happy with Yoshi but goddamn I wish they'd fix Cassie's hitbox garbage and nerf Sophie before this game turns into a sisterfest again. Despite the nerf Amy still seems a tad OP(maybe not approaching X-tier but still) but at least she's a new character. It would be nice if the highest tier characters weren't the lamest (in my opinion) but I'm used to not wanting to touch great characters with a 10 foot pole by this point in the series.
tribaL
[09] Warrior
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
as much as i'd like to not agree with you, a:b+k, 66b didnt need to be changed, but oh well. 6K ftw.
as much as i'd like to not agree with you, a:b+k, 66b didnt need to be changed, but oh well. 6K ftw.
RTD
SC4 International Champ
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
wow, it's great that Namco is patching this game. I don't agree with all of the changes, but now we definitely have a more balanced game with less glitches. Now that I got that out the way...
Raph got hit the hardest with Voldo being the runner up. Don't even think about saying otherwise.
soooo....
Why do I have a natural inclination to cling to characters with overpowered moves only to find them nerfed down the road?
oh well, I'll find a way to deal with it; like I always do. Here is a start...
*officially drops Raph and Voldo*
Cheers!
wow, it's great that Namco is patching this game. I don't agree with all of the changes, but now we definitely have a more balanced game with less glitches. Now that I got that out the way...
Raph got hit the hardest with Voldo being the runner up. Don't even think about saying otherwise.
soooo....
Why do I have a natural inclination to cling to characters with overpowered moves only to find them nerfed down the road?
oh well, I'll find a way to deal with it; like I always do. Here is a start...
*officially drops Raph and Voldo*
Cheers!
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
I remember hearing that 360 would get the stuff, but in fewer patches. No idea if that's true or not, but I hope not.
Gotta admit I fear Sophie being half of nationals right now. Maybe she has more nerfs- anyone check Angel Step BS?
I remember hearing that 360 would get the stuff, but in fewer patches. No idea if that's true or not, but I hope not.
Gotta admit I fear Sophie being half of nationals right now. Maybe she has more nerfs- anyone check Angel Step BS?
harlekein
[08] Mercenary
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
At least they are doing something...
At least they are doing something...
Chickenwing
[10] Knight
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
My 2 cents, Siegfried was barely playable before and now he's a joke. Not fixing hitbox issues and not doing anything for online play at all is sadness.
I can't believe you think some balance changes make up for the brokenness of the f$*#ing online game. You realize the game is synchronizing like 100 bytes of data per second, right? It probably doesn't even have to synch that much, come to think of it...
My 2 cents, Siegfried was barely playable before and now he's a joke. Not fixing hitbox issues and not doing anything for online play at all is sadness.
I can't believe you think some balance changes make up for the brokenness of the f$*#ing online game. You realize the game is synchronizing like 100 bytes of data per second, right? It probably doesn't even have to synch that much, come to think of it...
Isaac
[08] Mercenary
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
*is happy the nerf stick spared Kilik*
*is happy the nerf stick spared Kilik*
Dullyanna
[10] Knight
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
People on the gamefaqs 360 forum are gonna bitch to no end about how Kilik was "Spared". It seems a lot of them just hate the fact that he's easy to use. Of course, they don't complain about Sophy, who is just about as easy to use, and much better IMO.
People on the gamefaqs 360 forum are gonna bitch to no end about how Kilik was "Spared". It seems a lot of them just hate the fact that he's easy to use. Of course, they don't complain about Sophy, who is just about as easy to use, and much better IMO.
Cubby
[08] Mercenary
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I don't know why sophie gets so much hate. I don't even play her cuz I find her boring as all hell, and she never gives me as much trouble as some other characters (ivy, raph, sieg, yoshi). But I main cass, much more fun to play and lots more variety.
Sophie's 1A is blockable on reaction, her mixups are basic as hell. Her WR stuff isn't spectacular, 236B is extremely fast punishment but also extremely vulnerable on block/whiff - not abusable at all. And that's like her trademark move. 77_11A[A] is no real threat if you're on the ball. 236236AA is pretty good though.
When she does hit, she does good damage, but she isn't super fast and mixups are only so-so, therefore she doesn't hit all that often if you know what to expect from her. Her moves are really basic and she doesn't dance around much just to stab someone, but that also makes her easy to read at times. Her greatest strength is punishment and getting good (not super) damage from short, easy combos.
All in all I think she's mid, maybe upper-mid tier at best. I'd rather complain about other characters.
I don't know why sophie gets so much hate. I don't even play her cuz I find her boring as all hell, and she never gives me as much trouble as some other characters (ivy, raph, sieg, yoshi). But I main cass, much more fun to play and lots more variety.
Sophie's 1A is blockable on reaction, her mixups are basic as hell. Her WR stuff isn't spectacular, 236B is extremely fast punishment but also extremely vulnerable on block/whiff - not abusable at all. And that's like her trademark move. 77_11A[A] is no real threat if you're on the ball. 236236AA is pretty good though.
When she does hit, she does good damage, but she isn't super fast and mixups are only so-so, therefore she doesn't hit all that often if you know what to expect from her. Her moves are really basic and she doesn't dance around much just to stab someone, but that also makes her easy to read at times. Her greatest strength is punishment and getting good (not super) damage from short, easy combos.
All in all I think she's mid, maybe upper-mid tier at best. I'd rather complain about other characters.
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
Right well You named pretty much all her good moves so its obvious you play alot of high level sophys
Right well You named pretty much all her good moves so its obvious you play alot of high level sophys
Dullyanna
[10] Knight
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
@Cubby: Sophie's mixups aren't that great, but that's not what she's about. 236B is fast enough that it serves its purpose as a punisher. It's also got very long range and more damage than perhaps any other move of similar speed. Since it's used as a punisher and isn't meant to be thrown out, its safety is rather irrelevant. Also, **** Angel step. I'd almost swear that it can go under certain mids.
@Cubby: Sophie's mixups aren't that great, but that's not what she's about. 236B is fast enough that it serves its purpose as a punisher. It's also got very long range and more damage than perhaps any other move of similar speed. Since it's used as a punisher and isn't meant to be thrown out, its safety is rather irrelevant. Also, **** Angel step. I'd almost swear that it can go under certain mids.
Syrpiektre
[09] Warrior
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
Aaaaaaaaand that's why gfaqs boards are utter crap in terms of community.
Anyway, please remember people the list is not definitive, and won't be until the end of the month likely, or longer. Too many variables atm.
Aaaaaaaaand that's why gfaqs boards are utter crap in terms of community.
Anyway, please remember people the list is not definitive, and won't be until the end of the month likely, or longer. Too many variables atm.
schabit
[09] Warrior
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
Funny how pretty much everyone disagreed with me when I claimed that Sophie was superior to Cassie. Now it seems everyone is complaining about her but nobody is mentioning Cassie.
Funny how pretty much everyone disagreed with me when I claimed that Sophie was superior to Cassie. Now it seems everyone is complaining about her but nobody is mentioning Cassie.
Dullyanna
[10] Knight
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
Some people are fickle... and have short attention spans. They whine about Yoda, then the apprentice, then Kilik, then Maxi, then Cervy, then go back to Kilik. That's just the way of the internet, I guess.
Some people are fickle... and have short attention spans. They whine about Yoda, then the apprentice, then Kilik, then Maxi, then Cervy, then go back to Kilik. That's just the way of the internet, I guess.
Cubby
[08] Mercenary
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
I'm pretty sure the main reason for this is that cass is NOWHERE near as popular to use/abuse as sophie. I swear during the times I can muster the motivation to play online, I've met only 2 real cass's since the game launched. Compare that to like 2-3 sophies EVERY time I get online.
I think the real reason people complain about sophie (and this is just an over generalization, not meant to offend anyone) is all the scrubs picking her up and spamming 4AAA/4AB, 1AA, 236AA/236236AA, etc. Basically, she's full of fast, canned, mid-low, low-mid combos (much like mishimas or paul from tekken) that work extremely well online, but honestly a lot of it is blockable on reaction offline.
Cass has no canned mixups, besides maybe 8A+BK that you can see coming from a mile away. She's more about taking advantage of the + frames you get on certain moves, punishing (though not as good at this as sophie), and turning everything into combos. A lot of people say she's top tier, yet still only a few people actually use her, and I think it's because you really do have to work a bit more for your (non-scrubby) mixups with cass. This is the reason I see her as quite a bit less popular with scrubs than sophie and especially online, but the higher level offline players say she's better than sophie with superior tools. And I much prefer it that way; whenever I join a lobby and pick cass and win, I sometimes get people saying how used they are to fighting sophie, but I only won with cass cuz nobody picks her so they don't know how to fight her. Good for me then.
I'm pretty sure the main reason for this is that cass is NOWHERE near as popular to use/abuse as sophie. I swear during the times I can muster the motivation to play online, I've met only 2 real cass's since the game launched. Compare that to like 2-3 sophies EVERY time I get online.
I think the real reason people complain about sophie (and this is just an over generalization, not meant to offend anyone) is all the scrubs picking her up and spamming 4AAA/4AB, 1AA, 236AA/236236AA, etc. Basically, she's full of fast, canned, mid-low, low-mid combos (much like mishimas or paul from tekken) that work extremely well online, but honestly a lot of it is blockable on reaction offline.
Cass has no canned mixups, besides maybe 8A+BK that you can see coming from a mile away. She's more about taking advantage of the + frames you get on certain moves, punishing (though not as good at this as sophie), and turning everything into combos. A lot of people say she's top tier, yet still only a few people actually use her, and I think it's because you really do have to work a bit more for your (non-scrubby) mixups with cass. This is the reason I see her as quite a bit less popular with scrubs than sophie and especially online, but the higher level offline players say she's better than sophie with superior tools. And I much prefer it that way; whenever I join a lobby and pick cass and win, I sometimes get people saying how used they are to fighting sophie, but I only won with cass cuz nobody picks her so they don't know how to fight her. Good for me then.
bonezz1001
[08] Mercenary
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This has got to be a joke right? You nerf Yoshimitsu but not kilik? LOL wow....
This has got to be a joke right? You nerf Yoshimitsu but not kilik? LOL wow....
malapardis
[08] Mercenary
New : 1.03 Patch in Japan.
Can the OP or a mod edit the original post to put "THIS IS NOT A DEFINITIVE LIST OF CHANGES" somewhere in it? Preferably in 72pt red bold font. I know it's said at the end of that first post, but people don't seem to be getting it. They're treating this like it's the Gospel straight from Namco, rather than the results of one guy's testing.
Can the OP or a mod edit the original post to put "THIS IS NOT A DEFINITIVE LIST OF CHANGES" somewhere in it? Preferably in 72pt red bold font. I know it's said at the end of that first post, but people don't seem to be getting it. They're treating this like it's the Gospel straight from Namco, rather than the results of one guy's testing.
Tiamat
[11] Champion
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I wonder how many patches till they decide to make kilik WS B unsafe on guard.
I wonder how many patches till they decide to make kilik WS B unsafe on guard.
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