Poll: 17 years in the future or current timeline?

[FenrisZero]

Well being immortal would mean Amy's body would not age leaving her to be 12 or something (I don't care enough to check). While I'm for middle aged ladies in fighting games, beating up an under aged girl is not cool. So I say we scrap Amy for some that can age in body and mind. I don't mind how she plays I just think Amy should end up in some back alley or something, w/e vampires do now.

 

[Amy]

Well being immortal would mean Amy's body would not age leaving her to be 12 or something (I don't care enough to check). While I'm for middle aged ladies in fighting games, beating up an under aged girl is not cool. So I say we scrap Amy for some that can age in body and mind. I don't mind how she plays I just think Amy should end up in some back alley or something, w/e vampires do now.

What is really your problem? 90% of your posts is nothing but childish Amy hate. Get some new material.

How about posting about characters you do like instead?

 

[Dani_Hungerford]

No. I believe both endings could be considered canon. Sophitia reach the top of the tower, defeat Algol, grabs his SoulEdge and try to destroy SoulCalibur but the sword starts to possess her and Algol stop/help her... He ask her to go back home to her children and Algol fades to only God know where with both swords. In meanwhile Siegfried reach the top of the tower and cross paths with Nightmare which after being defeated gets frozen/crystallized by SoulCalibur and Siegfried as well until some point in time before SC5. Note that Algol's SoulEdge and SoulCalibur are not the same as Nightmare's SoulEdge and Siegfried's SoulCalibur since each of them has those as main weapon when facing each other so just because Algol disappear with the swords and Nightmare and Siegfried are seen fighting with those as well after doesn't means both endings couldn't coexist.


Anyway about the whole aging issue people are just completely overreacting... This is fiction, not reality. It's a videogame for God Sake, real aging rules don't apply in videogames... Just look at Tekken I would say 15% of the roster is made of old guys who still kick the younger folks butt, Heihachi, Baek, Jinpachi, WANG and probably others I'm not remembering right now... To be honest I'm more concerned about the female characters since there aren't many old female characters in the fighting games. I can only remember of Sindel in Mortal Kombat who is like 10.000 years old which would be like her 40's or 50's in earth aging years...

But even in real life if someone turns 60, he/she will not just automatically turn into dust just because they made the effort of raising their hand to slap somebody... The appearance and health of someone depends on the life they made, if someone has been active for their whole life of course they will live longer, healthier and even the aging signs will take their time to be seen.

One thing you should know about me, I don't read quotes that are more than two sentences. Keep it short and sweet. But it was confirmed Sig's is the only true ending, not nightmare, or talim, taki, etc...

 

[FluffyQuack]

Although their body didn't age do you realize that doesn't mean they are in their 20's anymore?

Their bodies remain young stuck in their 20's but in age they are in the 40's. Cryogenic sleep or not this is how female characters age process works in fighting games just look at Jun in TTT2...

You're just arguing semantics at this point. Even with that logic, it doesn't prove that fighting game developers are willing to portray women in their 40's. In the current storyline, Nina and Anna are treated as if they're 24 years old.

Firstly, stop trying to apply real-world logic to video games, especially fighting games...especially Tekken, lol. Both you an Amy are right on a technical level though, Nina and Anna are in their 40s, but have the appearance of a 25 year old thanks to cryogenics. Jun has aged (though she still looks a lot younger than her age, imo...not a bad thing, but still :P) due to presumably not having some bs plot mechanic to slow her aging process. Frankly, it was surprising that Namco decided to have her middle-aged, considering the stigma surrounding 40+ women in fighting games.

That's all there is too this, isn't it?

Has Jun aged at all? I thought TTT2 was a "dream match" type game where they disregard the story whatsoever. Heck, Heihachi in his 20s or 30s in the game.

I search for some info about Jun, and I can't find any info about her aging. The pictures of her is very ambiguous age-wise, she could be between 20 and 40.

 

[Dani_Hungerford]

Can't be. In his ending, Siegfried crystallized (as Soul Calibur was sustaining him from his mortal injuries in the last fight in SC3) himself and the entire tower. It'd have to be an ending combination of Hilde's, his and perhaps another (Kilik/Xianghua?) in order for him to be alive in SC5.

Thinking about it, nearly all Soul Calibur sequels take a combination of endings to canonized in the sequel. In Soul Edge, it was Sophitia's, Taki's, and Siegfried's. In Soul Calibur, it was the Trio's (Maxi, Kilik and Xianghua). In Soul Calibur 2, it was Raphael and Siegfried. In SC4, it's likely assumed to be Siegfried's and Nightmare's since SC4 happens mere months after SC3's (heck, Talim and Yun-seong never got to their ending in SC3 and were still looking for the sword). Many characters were still following the SC3 story lines in SC4 ("when along came a tower...").


I'm fine with a reboot, to be honest. I doubt there's anymore they can really do with the current cast outside of them still chasing after the sword (Mitsurugi/Yun) and leaving feelings left unrealized (Xianghua/Kilik) or still obsessed with revenge (Maxi/Setsuka). New characters means new motivations and new legacies. The new cast can be descendants of the old cast or entirely new characters as long as the styles of old return in the new game with new tweaks and twists to their game play.

How awesome would it be to see female Kilik, or a younger face on Cervantes' style? I wonder what Taki's fighting style would look like on a male character (male ninja) or Setsuka's on a fully realized samurai? And everyone's eager to see Bangoo make his appearance into the series.

I suspect the only mainstays would be characters that are probably just too cool to drop. Character's like Siegfried, Mitsurugi, Yoshimitsu (or his successor), Zasalamel, and Cervantes. The rest of the cast will probably be all new, with their fighting styles inherited from their predecessors.

Look at this. Sig's is definatley Canon, and probably will only be, like all the other characters. http://www.8wayrun.com/threads/soul-calibur-5-information-center.7114/

 

[Adnan]

Has Jun aged at all? I thought TTT2 was a "dream match" type game where they disregard the story whatsoever. Heck, Heihachi in his 20s or 30s in the game.

I search for some info about Jun, and I can't find any info about her aging. The pictures of her is very ambiguous age-wise, she could be between 20 and 40.

Jun looks about 5 or so years older...to me, anyway. Or maybe it's just because she's frowning in every screenshot of her so far lol. And Heihachi's company created some sorta de-aging elixir or something ridiculous like that. Yeah, it's a dream match, but we dunno whether or not these changes will be permanent. People are saying Heihachi's look has been revamped because his original VA died, and if that is true, I doubt they'd revamp his design for one game.

 

[NoelMickel]

I just hope Daishi san realizes that most of the SC community will not stop complaining if the same that happened with Jun, Kunimitsu (Michelle, etc...) happens in the SC series...

If he wants to move forward 17 years, fine... But don't drop characters for the sake of it! Keep them young or at least appealing, cover it with some plot excuse, magic, curses, spells, witchcraft, sorcery, you name it... But dropping already established characters loved by many just for the sake of younger and new characters it's just a bad reason...

Siegfried ends up crystallized in his ending right?! What if SoulCalibur crystallized not only the top of the tower but the whole world for 9 years then something or someone makes the crystallization process to disappear and the story continues 8 years later from that point?! Instead of 17 years the characters would have aged 8 years only.

 

[Amy]

I too think dropping characters and too much new characters is a bad idea. It makes it like a totally different game if they do that.

For me if Raphael, Amy, Yun-Seong and Talim are all dropped for new characters i'm not buying SCV. Simple as that.

If they say Amy replaced Raphael then i understand. I understand because SC4 ends with Amy throwing Raphael out off the ring.

If there is many new characters and only a few old ones, why call it Soul Calibur anymore? Tekken's Yoshimitsu is in Soul Calibur too but they dont call it Tekken because of it.
Specially with Raphael and Amy looking and acting like Vampires in SC4. If they dont use the vampire thing so they dont age then that is just stupid. Vampire = best reason for not aging in a fantasy game, plus Vampires are very popular.

 

[Caladan]

I too think dropping characters and too much new characters is a bad idea. It makes it like a totally different game if they do that.

For me if Raphael, Amy, Yun-Seong and Talim are all dropped for new characters i'm not buying SCV. Simple as that.

If they say Amy replaced Raphael then i understand. I understand because SC4 ends with Amy throwing Raphael out off the ring.

If there is many new characters and only a few old ones, why call it Soul Calibur anymore? Tekken's Yoshimitsu is in Soul Calibur too but they dont call it Tekken because of it.
Specially with Raphael and Amy looking and acting like Vampires in SC4. If they dont use the vampire thing so they dont age then that is just stupid. Vampire = best reason for not aging in a fantasy game, plus Vampires are very popular.

I agree with you mostly, except I could take or leave Yun-Seong. I have to say I don't mind a couple of characters being replaced, it worked with Tekken 3, yet there has been 5 soul games and there had only been two tekken's. I really think that the whole vampire thing should be clarified, i know it's obvious, but then again, it could be different in the soul calibur universe, maybe SC vampires do age or age slowly?

 

[Windie]

again, its probably fair to look at t3 as the model, but they'll actually keep a few more characters (out of a larger meaningful roster). Not counting confirmeds, Amy is the person I'm actually most sure is gonna be in, for some reaosn ><

 

[NoelMickel]

I too think dropping characters and too much new characters is a bad idea. It makes it like a totally different game if they do that.

For me if Raphael, Amy, Yun-Seong and Talim are all dropped for new characters i'm not buying SCV. Simple as that.

If they say Amy replaced Raphael then i understand. I understand because SC4 ends with Amy throwing Raphael out off the ring.

If there is many new characters and only a few old ones, why call it Soul Calibur anymore? Tekken's Yoshimitsu is in Soul Calibur too but they dont call it Tekken because of it.
Specially with Raphael and Amy looking and acting like Vampires in SC4. If they dont use the vampire thing so they dont age then that is just stupid. Vampire = best reason for not aging in a fantasy game, plus Vampires are very popular.

So you would not get mad If Amy replaced Raphael. Fine neither would I. But what If Hwang replaced Yun-Seong at least in SC5?! Would you understand?! Because to be honest that's what I'm wishing for.

Also Amy don't need to be a "vampire" to be young. She already is the youngest character of the whole SC roster. She would be 31 in SC5 and that would be AWESOME cause I'm tired of people calling Amy of Gothic Lolita among other stupid names. Also she could return "good" as Raphael was supposed to be after SC2.

 

[WuHT]

Raphael's utter contempt is quite endearing and would be greatly missed if scrapped. Villains do tend to have a longer shelf-life though, because they don't have as much exposure (and they tend to be supernatural).

 

[Sxton_Hrdcastle]

I was originally against the idea, but they are doing what every other video game is doing these days and rebooting the series, It's a new generation so naturally they won't be appealing to the fans of the first games (including myself) I'm" cool with that because it just business. I'm" willing to approach this title with an open mind, they can put some of the more classic characters in DLC if the demand is high enough. This is a prime opportunity to get rid of same style characters (i.e. Sophitia, Cassandra & Lizardman-Astaroth & Rock, Raphael & Amy, Seung Mina & Kilik, etc.) To make a more well rounded roster.

Besides if anything good is going to come out this:
Old Mitsurugi = EPIC...FUCKING...WIN

 

[WuHT]

One thing is (maybe because i'm super biased) but "clones" in SC4 are not like tekken or shoto clones (where only their juggles are different). They are actually quite different in gameplay (and apparantly tier)

 

[Signia]

They should just replace most of the roster then have alternate costumes for old characters that are editable so you can make them look young again. That should please everybody, right?

 

[Dragonfall]

One thing is (maybe because i'm super biased) but "clones" in SC4 are not like tekken or shoto clones (where only their juggles are different). They are actually quite different in gameplay (and apparantly tier)

It only takes a few minor changes in SF for a character to be completely different. This is why people think all shotos are "clones", because they can't see subtlety.

 

[Windie]

One thing is (maybe because i'm super biased) but "clones" in SC4 are not like tekken or shoto clones (where only their juggles are different). They are actually quite different in gameplay (and apparantly tier)

To my mind they're a lot like how the Tekken 'clones' evolved (like, say, Ganryu), started with minor move swaps, changed substantially to the current incarnation.

I gotta admit tho', I love those characters but if I were doing a reboot of htis game, I'd trim down the 'same style' characters, regardless of how differently they actually played. It's hard to say whether I'd rather have the nostalgia factor of say both fencers vs having a character with an entirely new weapon style introduced.

(Edit: Altho' funnily I think we'll still have 3 sword/shield types, with Pat, Pyrrha, and Lizardman)

 

[WuHT]

You see.. a "few minor changes" is enough for shoto clones to basically be differentiated.. different ultra/super, slightly different frames etc.

You're mistaking any "subtle differences" as some sort of clever little difference, when in fact it would be better served if the variations between the clone were actually more noticeable then having blonde hair or black hair. Perhaps movelists are less important in the SF series because its on a 2D plane so basically all things matter are hitbox, frames and damage.

However, if you look at sc4 the closest to visually having the same moves is perhaps cass and sophie, while the rest of the cast have much more than "few minor changes".

 

[Signia]

You see.. a "few minor changes" is enough for shoto clones to basically be differentiated.. different ultra/super, slightly different frames etc.

You're mistaking any "subtle differences" as some sort of clever little difference, when in fact it would be better served if the variations between the clone were actually more noticeable then having blonde hair or black hair. Perhaps movelists are less important in the SF series because its on a 2D plane so basically all things matter are hitbox, frames and damage.

However, if you look at sc4 the closest to visually having the same moves is perhaps cass and sophie, while the rest of the cast have much more than "few minor changes".

No way! I haven't played much 2D fighters but space control looks like the primary skill that's tested, so small changes in speeds of moves and attack ranges drastically affect the way the character plays. This is far less so in 3D fighters.

btw why are people talking like Pyrrha is confirmed?

 

[NoelMickel]

One thing you should know about me, I don't read quotes that are more than two sentences. Keep it short and sweet. But it was confirmed Sig's is the only true ending, not nightmare, or talim, taki, etc...

I don't care if you read short or long quotes, others will. And where was confirmed exactly that Siegfried ending alone is the ONLY true ending?!

Let me quote something from Daishi twitter:

"妄想してくれ. RT @Fight4Music: Also which endings are canon?! Gauntlet finale from SC Broken Destiny or SC4 Sophitia's and Siegfried endings?!"

And Daishi answered:

"I’ll leave it up to your imagination. @Fight4Music: Also which endings are canon?!"

So with no further confirmation beside this we can come up with a mix of Siegfried, Sophitia and Gauntlet finale endings...