POLL: Are you going to purchase SC5?

Are you going to purchase SC5?

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salarta said:
Signed up to add my "No" vote because there's too much fawning over Daishi's plan just because of a mix of either it being Daishi or caring solely about the gameplay and not the characters and story.

If Daishi later reveals our old female characters are returning as playables (NOT DLC playables) and important characters in the story mode, especially Sophitia and Taki, then my vote will change. Otherwise, I hate how this game is shaping up. The time skip seems intentionally designed to throw away almost all of the old female characters and replace them with new girls the team thinks will sell more copies of the game to non-fans by design, with only Ivy set to return of the important ones because they expect she's the only one they're practically required to bring back to avoid the worst backlash.

For the record, I like Setsuka the most and I would've been able to accept her not returning as long as most of the other major ones returned as playable and important characters. I also have nothing against a time skip idea in and of itself, or of adding new characters. What I hate is the way the time skip is being utilized, as what appears to be an excuse to get rid of almost all the old female characters. They didn't need to do a time skip or toss out much of the cast to "progress" the series, that's bull, they could've done it just as easily picking up where SC4 left off.

And now I'll leave you guys to complain about my complaints with how this game is turning out. I hope this game doesn't kill the series forever, but equally if this project stays on its current track, then I hope we're not stuck with this crap and we can pretend it never happened with SC6.
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They really needed to do something to freshen up Soul Calibur because of the amount of criticism this game gets, sometimes fairly, other times it's ridiculous.

As a player and a fan of the series, it's annoying that the only thing most people talk about is the female characters and what their breast sizes are, and barely about the game itself. I never seen a game where the females get so much fuss, e-measured, and broken down to the pixel. And now it's getting sillier where the focus is now on the crotches of characters, but whatever.

Plus we still don't know who's all in the game yet. But they needed to do more than just pick up where SC4 left off for alot of reasons.
 
the could really sell a lot if they left behind for a moment thei r japan pride and otaku tastes for a more adult and serious design :/
but the jpop ninja proved they've chosen another direction....

stages instead are great....
 
Malice said:
They really needed to do something to freshen up Soul Calibur because of the amount of criticism this game gets, sometimes fairly, other times it's ridiculous.

As a player and a fan of the series, it's annoying that the only thing most people talk about is the female characters and what their breast sizes are. I never seen a game where the females get so much fuss, e-measured, and broken down to the pixel. And now it's getting sillier where the focus is now on the crotches of characters, but whatever.

Plus we still don't know who's all in the game yet. But they needed to do more than just pick up where SC4 left off for alot of reasons.
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I understand the frustration of being a fan of a game's entire universe but people only focusing on one subsection of that universe and blowing it out of proportion. Hey, I hate how overhyped Rydia is in FF4 for example and how fanboy fawning over her ruins both understanding Rosa as a character and appreciating FF4 as a whole. However, like how I wouldn't say "a new Final Fantasy 4 game needs to remove Rydia because people talk about her too much," I wouldn't say "Soul Calibur needs to get rid of almost all the old female characters because people talk about them too much." Each character adds to the story in their own way, and throwing them away to put in one-offs like Pyrrha and Natsu is no replacement; if they're too different then they're no longer giving what those characters brought to the game, and if they're too similar then they come off as cheap rip-offs of much better characters that were already there. I've used this same argument for players identifying with their favorite fighting game characters in gameplay too, because even if they have the same moveset, it's just not the same.

The time skip definitely was not necessary. If they really wanted to "progress" the series and change up the roster so radically, they could've done the same things they're planning on overall story-wise set directly after SC4, and they could've slowly removed old characters by giving them one big send-off moment within the story to honor them before taking them out of the series forever. This approach would've helped fans ease into the new roster over time, and show that the team acknowledges people like the characters they're removing and appreciates their continued support of the series. Whereas what they're doing right now comes off to me like they care more about doing what they think will net a new audience than about the support that got them where they are today.

I like to use Mortal Kombat 9 as an example of a good reboot because they did things really well for rebooting a series that was on its deathbed. They had a bloated roster so they cut it down to the essentials WITHOUT forcing in random new characters to replace ones people liked (only in the DLC did they add brand new characters), and the concept of going back in time to an earlier point in the series allowed them to revitalize the franchise by honoring its roots and showing appreciation to the fans that supported it in its early years. In addition, the nature of the restart set it up so the events of the past games still happened, just in the original timeline, and most importantly of all, there's still hope for fans of unused characters that their favorites might return to the series in the future.

I'm not saying Soul Calibur V should do things the same way as another game, but looking at MK9 highlights that there are options for "revitalizing" a series that don't require the team to turn their backs on the roots of the series or the characters and fans of those characters that made the series popular enough to come back. Soul Calibur also doesn't have the bloated roster problem that Mortal Kombat had. It just has idiots that seem to think the series is about pairs of boobs fighting, which makes the current direction even worse of an idea because it leaves the notion that Sophitia, Taki, etc are nothing but pairs of boobs intact, meaning that's what they'll be remembered for by non-fans. Instead of undoing that mistaken impression by bringing them back as important playables in SC5 with more modest outfits/breast sizes and greater emphasis on their personalities and backgrounds in story mode. If anything, I'd be able to argue that replacing Sophitia with Pyrrha, Taki with Natsu, etc would actually lead non-fans to think the old female characters are so bad and lacking in depth beyond sex appeal that the team had to create new characters to keep the series alive.

Sorry for the long post, I get carried away when my mind is on a track of analysis.
 
salarta said:
Signed up to add my "No" vote because there's too much fawning over Daishi's plan just because of a mix of either it being Daishi or caring solely about the gameplay and not the characters and story.

If Daishi later reveals our old female characters are returning as playables (NOT DLC playables) and important characters in the story mode, especially Sophitia and Taki, then my vote will change. Otherwise, I hate how this game is shaping up. The time skip seems intentionally designed to throw away almost all of the old female characters and replace them with new girls the team thinks will sell more copies of the game to non-fans by design, with only Ivy set to return of the important ones because they expect she's the only one they're practically required to bring back to avoid the worst backlash.

For the record, I like Setsuka the most and I would've been able to accept her not returning as long as most of the other major ones returned as playable and important characters. I also have nothing against a time skip idea in and of itself, or of adding new characters. What I hate is the way the time skip is being utilized, as what appears to be an excuse to get rid of almost all the old female characters. They didn't need to do a time skip or toss out much of the cast to "progress" the series, that's bull, they could've done it just as easily picking up where SC4 left off.

And now I'll leave you guys to complain about my complaints with how this game is turning out. I hope this game doesn't kill the series forever, but equally if this project stays on its current track, then I hope we're not stuck with this crap and we can pretend it never happened with SC6.
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Being an articulate crybaby doesn't mean you aren't still a crybaby. Props for following the logic train as far as it suits you though, but no props for not following it through to the point where you realize that refreshes in a game series bring in a new fanbase because the old one is too cantankerous and suffers from too much nerdrage.

This post is not as sarcastic as you think.

-Idle
 
IdleMind said:
Being an articulate crybaby doesn't mean you aren't still a crybaby. Props for following the logic train as far as it suits you though, but no props for not following it through to the point where you realize that refreshes in a game series bring in a new fanbase because the old one is too cantankerous and suffers from too much nerdrage.

This post is not as sarcastic as you think.

-Idle
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I'd say your post isn't sarcastic. More contemptuous than anything else, given you're characterizing caring about honoring the history of the series as being a "crybaby." But I suppose it's a fair assessment since I tend to think most that people are on board for this game support it because they primarily care about Daishi or the gameplay and little else.

And to be further fair, the gameplay should be the most important part of a fighting game. I'm not going to claim otherwise.

The funny thing about posts that go on for more than one or two paragraphs is that people think it automatically means the person who wrote those posts is too emotionally invested in something for their own good. As if I spend every second of every day of my life obsessing about the topic of discussion. It's disappointing to me how people like to assume such things. More fascinating, being called a "crybaby" or saying I'm "obsessed" with a topic due to length of posts only happens to me when I'm talking with someone that doesn't like my opinion. If it's someone that agrees with me, I'm instead thanked for putting effort into a thorough analysis and providing points of discussion. Outside those two extremes, people down the middle don't really care (and understandably; people generally don't want to read long posts) unless a lot of people agree or disagree with me.

But to reiterate, this isn't the first time I've written a long post on a subject. I've written long posts about things I love. I've written long ones about things I hate. I've even written long posts about subjects where I analyze reasons why things I'd like to see happen, won't or shouldn't for understandable reasons. Soul Calibur V is not a special snowflake in this regard.
 
I don't understand why anyone would be so adamant that they would not like natsu more than taki, as if there was an absolute zero chance she is going to be more fun, more personable, and more impressionable than the original ninja.
 
salarta said:
...caring about honoring the history of the series....
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A replacement who has no similar moves or relationship might ignore the history of the series, but to have a disciple in both storyline and gameplay is the very definition of honoring the history. Honoring history isn't the same as repeating it. For the record, I'm now pretty confident that Xianghua and/or Talim will be returning as much more mature, serious characters.
 
Dang Salarta you can TYPE. but yeah I'll be pre-ordering a copy so I can get my hands on that exclusive content. I already missed it once so I don't plan on that happening again.
 
lold at the last option.

I currently don't have a ps3, but I will buy it if this game is worth it. I'm a rating person. Hopefully it reaches 9.0 yadayayayayda
 
salarta said:
I'd say your post isn't sarcastic. More contemptuous than anything else, given you're characterizing caring about honoring the history of the series as being a "crybaby."
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That's as far as I read that post and the other 2 auto-biography length walls of text. You really believe that following the lore and strictly "honoring" the history of the game outweighs gameplay? In one of your previous posts in this thread you made it seem like you'd rather shitty gameplay as long as they never added or removed characters that add a refreshing new feel to the game. I disagree entirely. Only thing I'm worried about is the removal of fighting styles. Which character is actually using the style doesn't matter to me.
 
Scitna said:
That's as far as I read that post and the other 2 auto-biography length walls of text. You really believe that following the lore and strictly "honoring" the history of the game outweighs gameplay? In one of your previous posts in this thread you made it seem like you'd rather shitty gameplay as long as they never added or removed characters that add a refreshing new feel to the game. I disagree entirely. Only thing I'm worried about is the removal of fighting styles. Which character is actually using the style doesn't matter to me.
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Totally agree. I really don't care for the characters, only for their unique fighting styles. That's why I didn't use the bonus characters in SC4 because they were just copies of already existing characters with a different appearance and voice.
 
I put myself down as a "maybe," because I simply don't know enough about the game yet to decide if I want to buy it or not. As of right now, I'm reasonably optimistic, but if I get the impression it's too similar to SC4 for my taste, you can most likely count me out.

And as I've said before, people who're so stuck on a couple of nixed characters as to write the game off when we only know a fraction of the cast can fuck right off. If story and characters matter that much to you, go write some fan fiction. You have a whole 17-year gap to work with.
 
soakrates said:
If story and characters matter that much to you, go write some fan fiction. You have a whole 17-year gap to work with.
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I found two signature quotes in one day. This should be declared a holiday. Mind if I use this as my signature?
 
Scitna said:
That's as far as I read that post and the other 2 auto-biography length walls of text. You really believe that following the lore and strictly "honoring" the history of the game outweighs gameplay? In one of your previous posts in this thread you made it seem like you'd rather shitty gameplay as long as they never added or removed characters that add a refreshing new feel to the game. I disagree entirely. Only thing I'm worried about is the removal of fighting styles. Which character is actually using the style doesn't matter to me.
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Wait, wait, so how do you go and reply to a post you haven't read? You have the option not to reply you know. Here's some highlights from the post you're quoting:

And to be further fair, the gameplay should be the most important part of a fighting game. I'm not going to claim otherwise.
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The funny thing about posts that go on for more than one or two paragraphs is that people think it automatically means the person who wrote those posts is too emotionally invested in something for their own good.
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