Preparation Glitch Discussion

Delloso said:
These are completely different situations. If you JG Nightmare's CE, you can 44A+B punish. But you can also step and punish the exact same way, which is way easier to do, less risky, and grants the same rewards. There's no reason to JG outside of looking stylish, which apparently is Zanaken's main focus instead of effectiveness.
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Well you do get meter if you JG. Get everything you can. Besides some people can get it 100% of the time so why not do it?
 
I think thats not really comparable. Pyrrhas 66B BE is much easier to JG than to step, so thats why most people go for JG in that situation, not for meter gain or anything.

JGing NM's CE on the other hand makes no real sense, because he is much more unsafe on step, which is also much easier to do. On top of that a failed JG can lead to a lost round easily.
 
Jesus CHRIST people why are you debating Zanny? No one is gonna change his mind so just let him 4A+B his way to the top 'k?

Paranormal_Oreo said:
Any reason why? You get more time to punish if you JG. Not saying I do it all the time(cause I'm not great it) but you should if its the best option.
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In most situations you can easily evade the CE instead with out the risk of eating guard damage or being late and getting fucked in the attempt.....?
 
Paranormal_Oreo said:
Any reason why? You get more time to punish if you JG. Not saying I do it all the time(cause I'm not great it) but you should if its the best option.
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I bet in a tourney match even you wouldn't do that Oreo. The only way i see Just guarding a CE is trying to be flashy really....or if you actually nailed it. But if you fail it you get nailed by all that damage, when if you only guarded it you wouldn't take any damage. But I don't think its smart cuz the risk of failing the JG won't ever be worth it imo, if you wanna try JG CE's more often feel free to do so.....and i personally just think there will never be a best option cuz you'll never know when your opponent will do the CE anyway yeah
 
I think if someone feels confident about JGing CE's there is no reason not to do it because you can make them more unsafe for a juicier punish.

The thing is NM's CE is just not one of them, since its already step punished anyhow, and JG only removes blockstun frames. So you really dont gain anything from JGing this particular CE, except taking a huge risk, for no upside.
 
Apparently from the fact it's relatively easy to JG that particular CE. If Yoshi's CE whiffs its first few hits, you can GI it for half meter, but tapping down and G is free and easy in said situation.

Oddly enough, with NM, I sometimes don't step his startup in time, so learning to JG it is coming naturally. Even without much training mode practice. Other characters get practice mode though ^_^
 
Damn 8WR and not alerting me on threads. I been curious about but can you try to buffer and do the iPrep A+B after CE for a guaranteed follow up instead of the usual 1A poke afterwards?
 
Yes, I think I noted it earlier. It's just not guaranteed. Then again, neither is 1A.

What it IS though, is near on impossible to punish. The range makes it even Omega safe, unless they're seriously on the ball. We're talking prediction as well as reaction.

If they are on the ball, get dem 66Bs in.
 
Although he was using a bad comparison, I think you can see why he did it. Players that focus on actually playing for style seem to get ostracised. It is honestly a valid mind-game tactic.

Trust me, if someone JGs your CE, they're gaining a massive psychological boost. As well as a big demotivational turn for the opponent.

Plus, calling a bad comparison is only fair for yourself, as you seem to think JG'ing CEs is hard. Not everyone agrees with that. Spend an hour or so with each one in training, if you are willing, and it won't even be a risk any more.

I'm personally not 100% there yet, but I stress the yet, seeing as I am willing to put the time in.

Don't forget when Ivy's 1B BE was considered a risk to JG as well.
 
Zanaken said:
Plus, calling a bad comparison is only fair for yourself, as you seem to think JG'ing CEs is hard. Not everyone agrees with that. Spend an hour or so with each one in training, if you are willing, and it won't even be a risk any more.
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It's not. I've done it before multiple times in actual matches. It's just stupid to take the risk unless you're fighting someone you know you can't possibly lose to in the first place, especially against a CE like Nightmare's.

Some CEs are worth JGing, like Maxi's or Hilde's. Nightmare's is not one of them. Besides, if you're making Nightmare whiff CEs, you already have the psychological upper hand.
 
Slade said:
It's not. I've done it before multiple times in actual matches. It's just stupid to take the risk unless you're fighting someone you know you can't possibly lose to in the first place, especially against a CE like Nightmare's.

Some CEs are worth JGing, like Maxi's or Hilde's. Nightmare's is not one of them. Besides, if you're making Nightmare whiff CEs, you already have the psychological upper hand.
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Yes, if you can easily evade a move it is ALWAYS better than attempting an aGI, GI, or jG. Just step, duck, jump the damn move and be done with it. There's always a chance you'll screw up the timing.
 
Slade said:
It's not. I've done it before multiple times in actual matches. It's just stupid to take the risk unless you're fighting someone you know you can't possibly lose to in the first place.
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I agree with Bojack above, for the same logical reason, but I have stated my reasons for going for it - Such as the fun factor / Psychological value.

What I don't understand is your reasoning above though. A CE is a very objective move. Be the opponent bad or good. The timing is the same etc. So why not go for it against an opponent just because he has a higher chance of out-playing you for the rest of the set?

Your logic makes sense if you have about 30% or so proficiency with CE JG. If you trained it to near perfection however, the circumstance matters less.

In racing games I will drift a corner that I have proven to myself has the same time-reward as cutting through it in a straight line.

Heck, look at Alpha Pat - He is a living embodiment of what I am trying to say. Why play Alpha if you can play a super-easy character like Pyhrra? Because he is more fun! Not for everyone, but for the player in that circumstance.

One note to Bojack - I find JGing very easy (for a move I know is coming.) Less so for CEs, but still easy. Easier than stepping - Gods honest truth.
 
I'm flattered. If you think that's enough to prove myself to you as a skilled player - Then I have all hell to unleash on you, son.

/flex

Just how long am I gonna have to argue with the "That move is hard, so I wont use it." crowd?

Thank god you guys don't main Ivy - The damn iCS and 22BB BBBB JF series cost me a chunk of my life in Practice Mode.
 
Once again, it's not about being "hard". Execution is never a barrier for a dedicated player, as long as the end result is worth the time spent practicing. In this case, it isn't. Just guarding Night's CE is a very risky strategy, which would be justifiable if the reward was worth it. But as it stands it's not a viable strategy, it's simply going through an unnecessary risk for no reason at all, as there's a much simpler and risk free tactic that grants the exact same rewards.

Also, no matter how hard you train to JG a specific move, under pressure circunstances players are expected to screw the timing. And you'll constantly be under pressure when facing a good player. That's why you don't see pros just guarding CEs at tournaments.
 
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