Raphael Video Discussion

Btw, do you know names of Raph players who often play in tournaments and whose matches could have been recorded ? Post patch, of course.
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I'm taking part in an online tournament and I can post videos of my games against Sakon's Astaroth if you want. There should be more of them to come since we'll meet in finals. Let me know if you want me to post them.
 
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My gameplay has evolved since I played those games. Therefore, I no longer use 3A as a follow up to 22B. I now use 2A and try and make the most of its frame advantages.
 
Ok I watched them all.

I can say your spacing and poking is solid. Not much to argue about here your style seem effective. Don't worry about losing to Astaroth here and there, he is one of Raph's worse matchup imo. Don't make it an excuse though.

One thing that I saw is that you didn't seem to recover health when you were doing 66A+G. You know when that throw connect you have to mash as hard as you can to regain health, right?

And about the Astaroth matchup. As you've seen you get a vertical stepped twice and you die, which is a big issue for Raph, but you handled that well with 66A, 22A and 11K. So the only advice I can give you about fighting Astaroth is:
Don't be afraid to attack him at minor disadvantage. He's really weak against frame traps, and will put the opponent under a lot of pressure if you keep attacking at close range. Of course I'm talking about smart stuff though, not mashing.
He also can't attempt to throw you at will if you stay on the offensive.
 
Ok Kojiro you definitely know what you're doing :) You did much better during the second battle since you utilized frame advantage more effectively.

As Reptile said, Astaroth is not a nice matchup for Raph but don't be afraid of Astaroth as he is certainly no god tier monster (thanks to Lau). His bullrush and throws make it hard for many other characters, not just Raph.

You handled bullrush pretty well with 2A, 3A, and used all the other moves stated already. Also, I agree that attacking Astaroth from disadvantage is a good strategy as he has few fast moves that can counter Raph's speed. Here's a crucial tip that Lau posted a long time ago: Up close, abuse 2K and wrB against Astaroth. The 2K -2 on hit makes wrB i15 but Astaroth only has ONE move that can beat it. At tip range, it can't even touch you. You'll make Astaroth really struggle with these two moves. Even if he begins using that one move, you can mixup with FC3B.

About 22B: I like doing both 3A and 2A. The latter is for frame advantage but the former is great for spacing. For astaroth, you definitely want to zone him to avoid throws and whiff/block punish his slow moves that have no tricky mixups.

Also, mash A or B whenever he grabs you. You'll reduce the probability of eating big damage if you break his throws more often.
 
Kojiro_Kirijo said:
Vids.
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You did well kid.

The only real issue I saw was Asta tending to read a bit better than you over all but you still were winning quite a bit. Lost damage opportunities are all I really saw. i.e. doing a step~11K instead of a step~33KB BE and various other things after successfully stepping a move and allowing too many whifs to go un 236 B'ed and choosing to try 66B instead. Just keep practicing you'll do even better. Other than that I'll try to avoid telling you more things you prolly already know.
 
Thanks a lot for the feedback ! I hope it'll help lots of Raph players, not only me. I'll bear Lau's tip in mind thanks to Fendante. I was totally oblivious to 2K mixed with wrB or FC3B in the Asta MU.
 
It's the sequence after 7:52 I love in this video.
Gohan dodges Zwei's attacks.. twice. And still doesn't punish. He retreats and slides into a 22B to close it out. There's something genius about that.

vs. Asta: some get especially predictable with which command throw they are using. I don't bother to do anything other than choose randomly in any other matchup, but vs Asta , those command throws are very different, and it affects every Asta player I'm aware of.
 
Black_Dog said:
Hey guys !

I found a new video of Gohan's Raph. It's a 2 vs 2 tournament. It's interesting how his playstyle evolved in five months. Now he rarely uses prep or SE.

Gohan's performance starts at 5:31.
Funny, as long as people fall into Raph's pace, he can be very hard to deal with.
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I did not know you could interrupt that. I hope this could be done online
 
I was actually playing Ezio on this one, but...

I found these very entertaining. Some nooby mistakes in it, but some very funny stuff, like Raph's Prep 4 aGiing Ezio's crossbow. Also some Matrixing of bolts, with SE.

 
Very interesting indeed. But I think he was able to play like this because Ezio has trouble with Raphael's reach, which is not the case with the strongest characters...

The last round is certainly the most impressive, it's like he guessed right every time he made a decision.
 
Black_Dog said:
Very interesting indeed. But I think he was able to play like this because Ezio has trouble with Raphael's reach, which is not the case with the strongest characters...

The last round is certainly the most impressive, it's like he guessed right every time he made a decision.
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Yes. Ezio is vulnerable to zoning, but I still wouldn't give Raph an advantage in the match-up. Ezio's general power against Raph's general 'hit like a little girl' should still give Ezio the match-up imho, or at least a tie.

These matches were posted for being very entertaining. I won the session by a big margin and I don't think I was a much better player, I think 'Ezio vs Raph' helped me.
 
Solid_Altair said:
Yes. Ezio is vulnerable to zoning, but I still wouldn't give Raph an advantage in the match-up. Ezio's general power against Raph's general 'hit like a little girl' should still give Ezio the match-up imho, or at least a tie.

These matches were posted for being very entertaining. I won the session by a big margin and I don't think I was a much better player, I think 'Ezio vs Raph' helped me.
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The videos were interesting but that Raph player could have done a much better job (I know you were playing ezio and I respect your skills...just analyzing the gameplay). Raph has plenty of time to run up and nail Ezio with 66B after making his crossbow shot whiff. If Ezio does the roll, a delayed 236B will do the job, not to mention that whether high or low, crossbow shots are -30 on block, so even if Raph runs in after the first shot and blocks the second low, he can punish it in the same manner. Zoning is pretty important for Raph in this matchup since Ezio can hit pretty hard and has some good mixups. It also avoids Ezio big grabbing range.
 
Fendante said:
The videos were interesting but that Raph player could have done a much better job (I know you were playing ezio and I respect your skills...just analyzing the gameplay). Raph has plenty of time to run up and nail Ezio with 66B after making his crossbow shot whiff. If Ezio does the roll, a delayed 236B will do the job, not to mention that whether high or low, crossbow shots are -30 on block, so even if Raph runs in after the first shot and blocks the second low, he can punish it in the same manner. Zoning is pretty important for Raph in this matchup since Ezio can hit pretty hard and has some good mixups. It also avoids Ezio big grabbing range.
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Agreed.

I just don't think Ezio's grab range is good. He has many attacks that leave him close enough for the grabs (on hit, or guard breaks), though. That's where lies the danger.
 
He played well against Alpha Pat. Overall great spacing, whiff punishing, and block punishing, though he could have used more meter imo. I thought he would do well against Zwei but oh well. Perhaps he's not used to the matchup.
 
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