Something-Unique (Rock) vs. Nuez (Lizardman)
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Part 1: Something-Unique (Rock-Setsuka) vs. Serge (Zasalamel-Xianghua)
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Something-Unique (Rock-Setsuka) vs. InsaneKhent (Seong Mi-na)
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Comment and Critique please as this is a Rock in training!
I will make things more manly for you in the future lol.
Add 4K in after 66B CH and use more Bullrush. Thanks!
See the main reason that I came in here is for stuff like your post. My Rock is based off of SC:BD and that doesn't work in that game so I just used what worked in that for SC4.
That brings me to another concern.... The follow up ground grab after command grab in SC:BD is so much easier to do and 100% guaranteed. Is that the same for this game because I couldn't get it to work on Lizardman after the JF. Also 214AA I notice has some issues even in SC:BD like the last hit whiffing on hit. Is that normal and the ground grab is only guaranteed at close range right or am I wrong?
Thanks for the general advice and I will be running Rock in Koga's and Bone's. So look out for some more videos outside of some more casual videos from NY that will be coming up soon.
First, you guys were right about Lizardman. He is fucking weird when it comes to that throw. I had a guy JF tech out of the command throw BEFORE I let go of B, and I got the JF. Whatever.
In general, though, command throw -> ground throw isn't that reliable unless you're at the edge or near a wall. The timing is very exact. Better off going for 6B+K if you need damage.
214AAA is so wonky in SC4. It'll whiff if they step, since it doesn't always track, but if you're whiffing the last hit don't forget that you move while you spin. Hold 6. The followups are much less reliable. On block your throw will beat everything but they can still duck, on hit a few characters yield free crouch throws (iirc Amy, sets, mybe sk?). The rest you should get a 50/50 crouch throw/ground throw mixup, depending on how they fall (if they're off axis you won't get the ground throw).
But, yeah, the BD changes for Rock were really good, but you should be able to adapt. 2B+G, B+K is good in BD, but it won't work against most characters in SC4, everyone else can tech. But the 9B, 6B+K combo doesn't work in BD. Also watch for less RO range on his ground throws.
And if you spam more crouch throws vs Lizardman they'll probably stop going into crawl altogether. It's pretty gross; I think you get a crouch throw on crawl A even if it hits.
After 3A+G, B+K ground stun if you dash you can catch tech with a crouch throw. 3A+G, B+K -> 2B+G, A+B = Rock Doom Combo. See if you can land that, cus it's manly as fuck.
So besides Lizardman the 63214B+K (JF) is guaranteed but exact timing is required? As long as its guaranteed I will go for the mixup ground throw then since exact timing doesn't run me off. I will get it down.
I didn't know you could hold 6 during 214A lol. Nice!
So 2B+G, 9B, 6B+K is the combo in regards to anything but ringouts and 2B+G, A+B/8A+B is the combo for ringouts in SC4?
Is 3A+G, B+K guaranteed or is that a tech trap in SC4?. I will still incorporate the combo but i'm just curious.
2B+G, 9B combos vs everyone but Hilde and Vader. It won't work properly on them. A+B/8A+B is for ROs, yes, because the damage is much less. I'd say not to underestimate the RO range, but it looks like you've got that down.
3A+G, B+K is guaranteed. 1B+G, B+K is only guaranteed vs Amy, everyone else can tech.
I see some awesome usage of post block jf dash (eg. by Arnboku and Something-Unique).
I apologize if this annoys anyone but when I talk on the forums I specialize in post block jf dash haha since everyone else knows more than me about other things. I just tend to learn from others about other things while I mainly experiment with post block dashing.
consider the video.
Xianghua vs. Rock.
Serge definitely knew how to counter the usual tactic---post block dash and grab. He usually uses attacks that auto crouch right when Something Unique blocks a punishable attack that pushes Something Unique backwards. In order to counter the slower auto crouch moves, press 6, wait for the dash and enter 6B in order to use 66B right after the dash. 66B is almost as useful as 6K as an interrupt move since 66B is almost as fast as 6K (correct me if I'm wrong). So, block dash BANG!...hopefully. Xianghua also, has moves that allow her to dodge to the right and duck. In this case use 6 dash 6A or 66A. 66A catches people dodging to the right mainly. You can even dash forward right after 66A hits (post hit jf dash :D). Dashing forward for a close range mix up opportunity may be safer than commiting to 66AA from the beginning ...I'm not sure though; just an idea to increase our unpredictability. Let's see if it works.