SC Controversial Topics and General Shitposting Thread

DanteSC3

[14] Master
Sophitia wouldn't be the type to remarry. But she died first. And then if they met again in the afterlife, they'd just re-marry again, and make astral kids.
 

Dissidia

Premium Member
After Avengers Endgame the masses are now more open to weird timelines and Shit.

Sucks for Pyrrha and Pat that Sophitia is dead for them.

But for us it rocks because we are seeing either a new timeline or retcon!
 

Autumn

[09] Warrior
After Avengers Endgame the masses are now more open to weird timelines and Shit.

Sucks for Pyrrha and Pat that Sophitia is dead for them.

But for us it rocks because we are seeing either a new timeline or retcon!
"I went forward in time... to view alternate futures. To see all the possible outcomes of the coming conflict. "
"How many did you see?"
"Fourteen million six hundred and five."
"How many did Patroklos not become the protagonist?"
"...One."
 

Rusted Blade

[08] Mercenary
She will be, when the time comes. We aren’t there yet. Though just because she dies, it doesn’t mean she can’t come back. Just ask Raphael.
I'm confused. I thought you and Tres had concluded between you that the story is an identical replay of the plot up through this game, but that Zasalamel is a wild card likely to send the entire thing off on a completely different tangent, butterfly effect style?

By the way, I've been busy this week, but I intend to give you two your rejoinders on the "does the game bleed into SCIII's plot" issue eventually. Your rhetorical whoopings are coming. ;D

Or Maxi. Or Astaroth. Or Cervantes.

Did anyone else die but get resurrected at any point? I think that’s everyone.
Nightmare and others of the Soul Edge incarnations have. Pyrrha arguably was brought back by time travel shenanigans, right? Zasalamel's entire narrative is built on a cycle of death and reincarnation. Yoshimitsu propagates a version of himself by training a student, committing ritual suicide, and then passing on the essence of his previous lives into the new iteration. Revenant is some undead warrior thing. Algol spent eons in a state of suspended animation before being revived. Honestly, its pretty clear that in Caliburverse, death is a pretty easy thing to come back from (and that's if we don't even factor in the various characters who are simply outright immortal or close to it: Ivy, Edge Master, Olcadan, Charade, Abyss, Night Terror, Ashlotte).

Honestly, it's one of the things that makes the story clumsy, comic book-like, and as a consequence ultimately juvenile and ineffective; there are no real stakes and characters can just pop back up whenever they are necessary, which is abused to return various characters to their status quo ante at the beginning of the next game--often with regard to the exact same nemesis even. But I mean it's not like that's any more or less silly than other fighters that have people fighting with super powers and/or weapons and no one ever dying to begin with. At the end of the day, its a game first and foremost and both the gameplay and marketability demand characters return. The story is always going to be constrained within those demands, and one can judge it by how it works within that limited space. Project Soul clearly chose a long time ago to the embrace absurdity and the lack of consequences. The only game that kinda-sorta-just barely broke the trend was SCV, and it had the benefit of being at the end of the story arc, so far as we've seen to date anyway.

Oddly though, I can't recall what time that Raphael died. Am I forgetting something or are you just talking about your fan theory that Raphael comes back after the events of SCV, @DanteSC3?
 
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Ukkesh

[09] Warrior
I'm confused. I thought you and Tres had concluded between you that the story is an identical replay of the plot up through this game, but that Zasalamel is a wild card likely to send the entire thing off on a completely different tangent, butterfly effect style?

By the way, I've been busy this week, but I intend to give you two your rejoinders on the "does the game bleed into SCIII's plot" issue eventually. Your rhetorical whoopings are coming. ;D


Nightmare and others of the Soul Edge incarnations have. Pyrrha arguably was brought back by time travel shenanigans, right? Zasalamel's entire narrative is built on a cycle of death and reincarnation. Yoshimitsu propagates a version of himself by training a student, committing ritual suicide, and then passing on the essence of his previous lives into the new iteration. Revenant is some undead warrior thing. Algol spent eons in a state of suspended animation before being revived. Honestly, its pretty clear that in Caliburverse, death is a pretty easy thing to come back from (and that's if we don't even factor in the various characters who are simply outright immortal or close to it: Ivy, Edge Master, Olcadan, Charade, Abyss, Night Terror, Ashlotte).

Honestly, it's one of the things that makes the story clumsy, comic book-like, and as a consequence ultimately juvenile and ineffective; there are no real stakes and characters can just pop back up whenever they are necessary, which is abused to return various characters to their status quo ante at the beginning of the next game--often with regard to the exact same nemesis even. But I mean it's not like that's any more or less silly than other fighters that have people fighting with super powers and/or weapons and no one ever dying to begin with. At the end of the day, its a game first and foremost and both the gameplay and marketability demand characters return. The story is always going to be constrained within those demands, and one can judge it by how it works within that limited space. Project Soul clearly chose a long time ago to the embrace absurdity and the lack of consequences. The only game that kinda-sorta-just barely broke the trend was SCV, and it had the benefit of being at the end of the story arc, so far as we've seen to date anyway.

Oddly though, I can't recall what time that Raphael died. Am I forgetting something or are you just talking about your fan theory that Raphael comes back after the events of SCV, @DanteSC3?
Dante probably can do this better than I can but here we go.

Raph was confirmed to have died in the art book, the same one he was confirmed as graf. Despite this nighty took over his body yet a semblance of his personality lingered. Additionally, during the events of SCV's story, pyyrha IIRC kills the graf, killing raphmare yet again, or at least that is presumed. Raph appears in the game in his normal form, so it is assumed that he kind of resurrected once released from soul edge.

Quick fan theory: the release from soul edge made him rely on blood even more, which is why he spams his command throw on hard and very hard difficulty so much.
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
I'm confused. I thought you and Tres had concluded between you that the story is an identical replay of the plot up through this game, but that Zasalamel is a wild card likely to send the entire thing off on a completely different tangent, butterfly effect style?
Well, you're not wrong. Zasalamel is a potential wild card. He's the only thing that actually has changed, all things considered. Whether or not his motivations changing will affect the end result, however, remains to be seen. I think it's quite possible that Raphael may become Nightmare after the events of SoulCalibur II, instead of Zasalamel raising a corpse to become the new host, for an example of a difference, so we would be exploring SoulCalibur V events in the SoulCalibur III timeline, in other words, not time-skipping, but still doing SoulCalibur V stuff with the current cast.

This still does put Sophitia in limbo, she may die, during the events of SoulCalibur IV, because they made it a point in SoulCalibur VI to emphasize that she was still plagued with the curse of Soul Edge shards embedded inside her. So she'll pass that on to Pyrrha, and the influence will likely lead her down the same path as before, where she submits to Soul Edge and it ultimately overtakes her. I don't think that Zasalamel changing anything would be able to change Sophitia's fate, should that occur. Unless he directly intervenes for some reason. Cassandra may not get swept up into the Astral Chaos this time, though, that's something that could be changed in a butterfly effect type scenario.

By the way, I've been busy this week, but I intend to give you two your rejoinders on the "does the game bleed into SCIII's plot" issue eventually. Your rhetorical whoopings are coming. ;D
I suppose I'll look forward to this, though I really am not sure what you can really rebuff. I'm agreeing that SoulCalibur III pre-plot events are in taking place in SoulCalibur VI, but the events that actually take place in SoulCalibur III are not. And I feel like you agree with that too? Unless I've misunderstood something at some point.

Oddly though, I can't recall what time that Raphael died. Am I forgetting something or are you just talking about your fan theory that Raphael comes back after the events of SCV, @DanteSC3?
Raphael died during the events of SoulCalibur IV, during his quest to obtain Soul Calibur. It’s unknown exactly how he was slain, but it could possibly be inferred that he attempted to steal it from Siegfried, and was cut down during his efforts, since it’s canon that Siegfried defeated Nightmare and was redeemed (basically, Hilde’s ending).

His body was put into storage at Ostrheinsburg and was used by Inferno for the host of Soul Edge for the first parts of SoulCalibur V. This was already confirmed by New Legends of Project Soul, more or less, and isn’t theory. Soul Edge was able to restore him to life, by one means or another. Most likely due to the taint within his body, not unlike Sophitia, which could also be her ticket to revival.

Contrary to @Ukkesh — I don’t believe that he was slain again by Pyrrha, only that Soul Edge detected a more suitable host, that is, an individual who was driven closer to its own desires and methods, since Pyrrha Omega. He was defeated, sure, but I would say it’s more likely that he was only unconscious, most of his life force leaving him when Inferno left him behind, not to mention exhausted by his prior fight with Z.W.E.I. just seconds before.

Raphael’s appearance in SoulCalibur V was far more ghoulish compared to how he was in SoulCalibur IV. The sentiment that he may have to suck blood or others to maintain his life force is a sound theory, though, as he is obviously in weaker form. He is quite literally undead, at that point, so far as it would seem. That part is more theoretical, but logical, given the data we have.