Should Algol Be Banned

Banning Algol From Tournaments?

  • Yes, ban Bubble boy. And All his sheninigans.

    Votes: 86 41.3%

  • A partial ban. Ex. His bubble Shield.

    Votes: 20 9.6%

  • No, ALGOL BANS YOU!

    Votes: 102 49.0%
  • Total voters
    208
KingAce

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The discussion on caliburforums continued here. So should Algol be banned, partially banned, or no ban.

I proposed banning only his ability to spam bubbles on the field, except when he is using them for combos or juggles.
Ban the bubbles because they block the screen, and two they change the way SC is ought to be played. They're an offensive and defensive tool.
He has some crazy infinites too. Besides that, people don't have fun playing against him the way he is right now.

His bubble shield, for example gives him an extra advantage when time is low and he has more health than his opponent, also adding to the fact that his back dash is godly, and he can teleport.

Me I just hate the bubbles on the screen, I don't like that shit blocking my view, I don't like the fact I can't tell whether a bubble is about to hit me or miss me. And I just don't feel like walking all the way around the bubble shield just to get to some action. Fool fight me straight.
 
No. His bubbles are nowhere near "overpowered" and aren't even damaging enough to debate toning them down.
 
Felix007 said:
No. His bubbles are nowhere near "overpowered" and aren't even damaging enough to debate toning them down.
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They get in your way, and If they hit you at the same time his about to attack, you get aced twice. When his at disadvantage, and you think you have a chance to strike, out of nowhere a bubble interrupts you and you lose advantage. Also they block the screen, by the end of the day they're aren't worth it for the fun of gameplay. My opinion.
 
If you'd asked me 2 weeks ago, I would have said no on the basis that he's available to both consoles and isn't simply a better version of another character (like the bonus characters).

After the last week, I now believe he should either be banned or seriously nerfed.
 
The_Landslide said:
Bubbles lead to 3/4 life combos and run the clock. Ban.
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He's slow in close and has to rely on unsafe tech crouching moves like 1b to get people off his ass. His only damaging low is unsafe and slow. Get in and do enough damage, and then run the clock on HIM if he's gonna spam bubbles.
 
Personally I wouldn't have a problem with Algol being used because he is defeatable, but what upsets me is his moves into forever stuns (old man stun sucks, wtf breakdance headspin) which lead into 1 800 dial a combo. Oh and the bubble bath keep away / make a move safe game.
 
i dislike algol. should he be banned? i'm not sure, haven't played one that really abuses the crap out of his better tools.
 
Just ban him or have it like SC3 where we didnt ban anything. That was smart.

Heres some of the reasons.

-Bubble shield
-Bubbles block the screen sometimes and you cant see what he will do next.
-Best backdash in the game
-Bubbles can potentially make unsafe moves safe
-makes several characters pretty much unplayable
-Can do large damage with bubbles off of a launch, regardless if it is practical or difficult it still matters.
-Bubbles are 2D, you cant always tell where they actually are if theyre in front of u or to the side.

He was designed to actually be a boss character and thats exactly what he is. Abyss in SC3 couldnt do any of this crap in 3 which is why he could be allowed.
 
As if right now he does need a fix... Its not too far in the works for him to have a unlimited from a simple hit to the air, to the bubble hit combo...soon people will pick up that move... Least with may other players with higher count combos, you usually have a chance of breaking the stun or air controll, with him you have nither... There are a few things I dislike about him, but over all he just needs some tweeking...

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I think that the only thing that should be banned or nerfed is his ability to juggle with 5+ bubbles. Not only because it's strong, but because it has to be boring to have that done to you. (I know that 5+ is nothing, but I still think that it becomes silly and unnecessary past that point.)

Algol's ability to teleport, I'm not sure why it's listed here...
A smart Algol can use it well, but a smart opponent can use it against him. It takes several frames for the teleport to start, so it's useless when the enemy is aggressive in your face. Additionally, after the teleport, it also takes several frames before you can attack again. It means that you're defenseless for a little while, and you need to be very lucky to be able to use it offensively.

...Now, if the reason why it's listed here is because it can be mixed with bubbles, then I agree that it has to be extremely boring to fight against, and a little lame. Maybe ban or nerf the ability to teleport while he has bubbles floating.


Edit: And Algol isn't the only one who can follow a quick backdash with an attack. Unless you get meaninglessly technical.
 
KowtowRobinson said:
He's slow in close and has to rely on unsafe tech crouching moves like 1b to get people off his ass. His only damaging low is unsafe and slow. Get in and do enough damage, and then run the clock on HIM if he's gonna spam bubbles.
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He can make them safe tho :/ So it dont matter if you block or gi the unsafe move. The bubble is right behind it making you have to block it or eat it if you try to punish him.
 
You can either ban a character or leave them 100% in the game unless it's obviously technically broken. A good move that isn't buggy is not broken even if it's something that none of the other characters have. Should Mishimas not use EWGF because they're the only ones who got it? Banning moves is dumb and I don't know why the SC community is the most sensitive out of most of the other fighting game communities when it comes to this topic i.e. VC at the last VTYME. The argument that 'so and so doesn't belong in SC' is a terrible statement when it comes to fighting games. I'm here to play SCIV, not SCII with new graphics. I play the new game by accepting all the new rules, not just the ones I agree with. Why not ban critical finishers too? I've never had to deal with being punished for blocking. While I'm all for banning a character if they're clearly buggy and there's no chance for a change in the system, this is not the case with Algol, who is in a game that is able to be updated and has already lost combo damage as a result of it. I don't like getting hit with Cassandra's 1K, should the move be banned? It's dumb. We can either ban him and satisfy more people than we piss off, or we can keep him in and the players will be forced to become smarter at the game to compete. I say we leave him be.
 
I think it's pretty unecessary to ban him. Even if he's as good as people on the extremes say he is, I'd still put a couple other characters higher than he is.

So it just boils down to saying "OH NOS, HE'S TOP TIER!" to me. I don't think he's broken, just quite different than the rest of the cast. None of the things people have listed are "broken" to me and it pretty much takes a good amount of skill to integrate ANY of his best stuff effectively into a match.
 
i never thought i would say this but after saturday and ramon's use of the algol bubble shield I voted yes to this poll o.O

i want more testing done but if japan and france have already banned him then maybe the testing i want done has already been completed and i haven't seend it yet ...

The only way I can see to beat him when he's using the bubble shield and pseudo-safe moves with bubbles is to find an opening at any point, mix him up for max dmg, then run the clock and hope for the best ... man this sux cuz i like bubble-man
 
I think if you turned off the timer for tournaments Algol shouldn't be banned. If tournaments are timed, the stall-y mofo should get the AXE. I voted yes because to my recollection your tournaments are all timed, yes?
 
Is Algol dominating the tournament scene? If not, then no reason to ban him.

The smash bros community is having trouble deciding whether to ban Metaknight or not. In that conversation, MK is starting to dominate regionally and even nationally at tournaments. He is doing more than twice as good as any other character in tournaments. And even there, most top players and top tournament organizers don't want him banned yet.
 
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