I never said 87 frame disadvantage... I said recovery on frame 87 on a move that takes 90 frames to process... That means 3 frame disadvantage; not 87 frame disadvantage. But that also means 90 frames disadvantage on WHIFF, when other characters would only get around 60 frames of disadvantage on whiff.
OH! I see, well then I guess I was being a dumbass, not a smartass.