The Athiest Thread

Atheist, Agnostic, Theist

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Here's another good question: if God is so great, why the fuck did he let the title of this thread remain misspelled even after half a dozen different mods had their way with it?

The answer should be a godawful spelling joke regarding "athism" or something. I guess.
 
SupHy said:
It could of been the truest statements in the world, but I said that the thread was NOT for that type of thing, and that I would be giving out infractions because I'm sick of cleaning it up. Thanks for proving to everybody that I'm serious about my word tho.

Shoutouts to Static too
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YOU IDIOT. YOU DON’T GET IT.


THIS ISN’T ABOUT BASHING RELIGION. THIS IS ABOUT DEMANDING RESPECT AS AN INTELLECTUAL.


THESE ASSHOLES GO AROUND SAYING THEIR FAITH IS “WELL REASONED”. BUT WHEN I DEMAND THEIR PROOF AND EVIDENCE BE PUT UNDER SCRUTINY, THEY PROVIDE ME WITH GARBAGE.


HOW DARE YOU STAND IN DEFENSE OF PEOPLE MAKING SUCH PREPOSTEROUS CLAIMS.


IT IS ONE THING TO SAY YOU HAVE FAITH. IT IS ANOTHER TO SAY IT IS REASONABLE, ONLY TO MOCK THE INTELLIGENCE OF ALL GENIUSES THROUGHOUT HISTORY.


FUCK YOU. STOP POLICING PEOPLE AND OPEN YOUR MIND.


THANKS FOR READING. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
 
...Terror's tha product ya push
Well I'm a truth addict, oh shit I gotta headrush
Sheep tremble an here come tha votes
Thrown from tha throat, new cages an scapegoats
Undressed and blessed by tha Lord
Tha same devil that ran around Managua wit a sword...


...your saviour's my guillotine, crosses and kerosene...
 
MONEYMUFFINS said:
YOU IDIOT. YOU DON’T GET IT.


THIS ISN’T ABOUT BASHING RELIGION. THIS IS ABOUT DEMANDING RESPECT AS AN INTELLECTUAL.


THESE ASSHOLES GO AROUND SAYING THEIR FAITH IS “WELL REASONED”. BUT WHEN I DEMAND THEIR PROOF AND EVIDENCE BE PUT UNDER SCRUTINY, THEY PROVIDE ME WITH GARBAGE.


HOW DARE YOU STAND IN DEFENSE OF PEOPLE MAKING SUCH PREPOSTEROUS CLAIMS.


IT IS ONE THING TO SAY YOU HAVE FAITH. IT IS ANOTHER TO SAY IT IS REASONABLE, ONLY TO MOCK THE INTELLIGENCE OF ALL GENIUSES THROUGHOUT HISTORY.


FUCK YOU. STOP POLICING PEOPLE AND OPEN YOUR MIND.


THANKS FOR READING. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
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It's not about bashing religions. I just don't want arguments started in that thread. Simple, right? That thread is for people who want to express and discuss their faith without getting flamed for it, or having to explain themselves. If they want to have a headache dealing with people who won't change their mind anyway, they can come here. There's no point in having two threads where all people are doing is arguing. lol
 
Signia said:
lol then it should trouble you to wonder where your god came from.

I find it easier to believe that matter has always existed than to believe a supernatural entity has always existed.
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Well that's you. I find the opposite easier. Yeah that's right I said it big whoop wanna fight about it?
 
Suphy. You're a fascist. So, I'm not really very fond of you at the moment. An idea or belief that can't stand the rigors of debate isn't a worthwhile idea period. You prove it with your heavy handed censorship of valid questions and conversation. I was enjoying the whole fucking thing and learning a lot even though agreeing little to none. The second you brought your unfair and nonobjective authority in and waved it around to censor and intimidate you became a fascist. Fuck you, and fuck anyone of any faith that wants to post in a public forum without any dissent. You want to only hear like minded opinions? Go to a Christian only forum! Last I checked, 8wayrun isn't a Christian only forum. There's all sorts of people here. And now we can add a fascist mod to the list.
 
While Mibu's lack of tact is unfortunate, he does raise a reasonable point. Openly admitting to and very clearly showing bias is...well, bad for any sort of authority. Of course both of these threads were made to troll, but that doesn't mean nothing useful can come of them. Promoting trolling and feuding over nothing is in very poor taste, I'd say.
 
These discussions are never productive IMO. I am participating because it's entertaining to a degree...but I think we've reached a climax.

This discussion simply comes down to this. You either believe the universe is deterministic or you believe it's random. Random in it's truest sense. Where we state that the big bang is a random event because anything before it isn't governed by natural law. With that you attempt to escape the need for a God source.
If you believe the universe is deterministic but you're atheists. Then you're arguing whether or not the source of the Universe is an intelligent one.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Life is a lie, Death is truth.
 
KingAce said:
These discussions are never productive IMO. I am participating because it's entertaining to a degree...but I think we've reached a climax.

This discussion simply comes down to this. You either believe the universe is deterministic or you believe it's random. Random in it's truest sense. Where we state that the big bang is a random event because anything before it isn't governed by natural law. With that you attempt to escape the need for a God source.
If you believe the universe is deterministic but you're atheists. Then you're arguing whether or not the source of the Universe is an intelligent one.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Life is a lie, Death is truth.
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I think it's deeper than that. Toe the line of the majority or shut up. Try to have a frank and honest discussion and get chastised or officially sanctioned. I'm an ass hole for how I sum up the stories that are the basis of Christianity. It's my fault that Christ is his own Father who came to Earth as his own son through a virgin womb sounds stupid. Not the religions fault.

Now, to assume there are only two valid options - the Universe was designed, or the Universe was a random event is narrow minded.
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You either believe the universe is deterministic or you believe it's random. Random in it's truest sense. Where we state that the big bang is a random event because anything before it isn't governed by natural law.
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I honestly don't know what to say...who's we and you know we're aware of when you're literally just pulling notions out of your ass right?
 
KingAce said:
These discussions are never productive IMO. I am participating because it's entertaining to a degree...but I think we've reached a climax.

This discussion simply comes down to this. You either believe the universe is deterministic or you believe it's random. Random in it's truest sense. Where we state that the big bang is a random event because anything before it isn't governed by natural law. With that you attempt to escape the need for a God source.
If you believe the universe is deterministic but you're atheists. Then you're arguing whether or not the source of the Universe is an intelligent one.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Life is a lie, Death is truth.
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could edit your grammar? I'm curious as to what you're saying, even though it was said by KingAce so it's obviously wrong :)
 
KingAce said:
This discussion simply comes down to this. You either believe the universe is deterministic or you believe it's random. Random in it's truest sense.
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If quantum physics is correct then our universe is a pure quantum state evolving deterministically, but we collapse it to a classically random (mixed) state by observing it. So it's deterministic and random.

Look up "interpretations of wavefunction collapse".
 
jwdinkc said:
Suphy. You're a fascist. So, I'm not really very fond of you at the moment. An idea or belief that can't stand the rigors of debate isn't a worthwhile idea period. You prove it with your heavy handed censorship of valid questions and conversation. I was enjoying the whole fucking thing and learning a lot even though agreeing little to none. The second you brought your unfair and nonobjective authority in and waved it around to censor and intimidate you became a fascist. Fuck you, and fuck anyone of any faith that wants to post in a public forum without any dissent. You want to only hear like minded opinions? Go to a Christian only forum! Last I checked, 8wayrun isn't a Christian only forum. There's all sorts of people here. And now we can add a fascist mod to the list.
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I dont understand what you want from me. I've never shown any bias, I'm not even Christian. I mean, I left this thread open JUST so you can debate and do whatever you like, I havent even been deleting posts in here.

Let me make things clear. I'm not deleting posts in the Christian thread because I don't want their faith questioned. I'm doing it because I want to keep that thread on track with its original purpose. I left this thread open so you can grill anyone you want. I honestly don't even care for any of this. At the end of the day its all going to come down to personal experience and upraising anyway.
 
SupHy said:
I dont understand what you want from me. I've never shown any bias, I'm not even Christian. I mean, I left this thread open JUST so you can debate and do whatever you like, I havent even been deleting posts in here.
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From the Christian Thread:
SupHy said:
*puts on cape*
I got this.
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Maybe you're not biased towards one group or another but in the least you seem to get a thrill out of censoring for some reason. Maybe I assumed too much. Too early for me to be convinced either way on that subject. So, I'll let you in on my thought process. You had an ethical choice. I see/saw your options as follows:

1. Allow two groups free and open discussion even if under the threat of shutting both threads down if anyone complained.
2. Following the opposing requests of both groups - Censoring for the Christian thread, not censoring for the Athiest thread.
3. Telling the complainers from the Christian thread who you thought were requesting censorship to at least PM or quote the stuff that's so offensive so we can:
a)explain ourselves
b)retract our statement
c)try to find a better way to word the statement
d)prove we require censorship after being shown a good example of what's so offensive
4. Shutting it all down from the get go (which I'm glad you didn't)
5. Run Away!

Not easy but I would have gone with number 1 or 3.

Now,
No one addressed me in clear, certain terms that "Hey, posts like this really offend me and I'll feel obligated to report it if you don't find a way to communicate that I can stomach." I don't even remember exactly what I said that was so offensive. Now I'll probably end up restating the same offensive thing because those upright Christians had to go behind my back. It's not even like we're face to face. They could have just pm'd me. Even being a man in text is too much nowadays. Which brings me to my next point. Sometimes a process that's ugly, frustrating, mind numbing, tedious and unpleasant isn't necessarily bad. And guess what? People who come from completely different worlds are probably going to have to fight with each other and themselves to find some common ground or give up. I don't give up.

Oh shit - just realized I double posted. G'nite.
 
You know, at least atheism has a pretty much unanimous philosophy.

Even within the Christian faith, there are several sects. I've seen friendships destroyed because one guy's faith didn't match the other guy's faith. It's petty and stupid; "No, MY interpretation of the bible is correct, yours is WRONG!". One sect takes it literally at face value, the other believes in metaphorical interpretations. Who is right? Neither.

Religion has been the cause of most of the wars of human history.

IF the whole world converted to atheism, at least wars won't be fought over petty metaphysical ideals. Politicians would not be able to sell us this "God told me to do it" crap that George W. Bush said right after he invaded Iraq. Don't try to tell me that religion didn't play a part in that war when I'm literally surrounded by retarded rednecks who spout shit like "let's kill us some Muslim devils!".

In short, religion is a strong factor for bigotry, racism, ignorance, illiteracy, propaganda, and wars. Adolf Hitler himself was a Catholic, go figure right? Personally, I think religion should have died a long time ago, when Darwin wrote his famous book "the origin of species". But no, it didn't go away, because people would rather believe in a 2000 year old book written in a time of virtually no science, than actually be open to innovative ideas like evolution.

"Blind faith" is dangerous. It supersedes logic, defies common sense, and the only way to sustain is to lie to oneself.

THIS is why I have a problem with religion. It causes unrepairable harm to society as a whole, and worse, destroys the individual. The only people who benefit from it are politicians, ministers, and the Pope.
 
If you believe religion is something for the ignorant masses, isn't it better that it exists? If religious folk are so backward that they require punishment and reward to do what's right, isn't it better they have that so they don't go running around raping and pillaging?

Even if you disagree with it, religion is not useless.
 
Wandrian said:
If you believe religion is something for the ignorant masses, isn't it better that it exists? If religious folk are so backward that they require punishment and reward to do what's right, isn't it better they have that so they don't go running around raping and pillaging?

Even if you disagree with it, religion is not useless.
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Thank you for accidentally proving my point that religion is useless! If you think religion is a carrot and stick method of modifying human behavior look around. Christian's, I assume, follow Christ and his life as an example. Christ suffered mental anguish, physical pain, and death without once appealing to a higher authority to silence those who mocked him or smite those who spat on him. What just happened in the Christian thread? They appealed to a higher authority to silence those who mock or insult them. Who the what now?
 
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