World Tournament USA team status

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RTD said:
As for the last Voldo, we can let Bib, Manta and Essom slug it out in all fairness. The terms would be 1st to 10 over PSN and the person who wins the most games gets selected. That's just one suggestion.
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I think the opposite. I think that's a horrible horrible idea. The person who won that would prolly just be the most aggressive player, prolly be the least good of the Voldo's moreso than anything. Either way, that wouldn't prove anything.
 
Esom and KDZ shouldn't get dicked over by having all the donations go to the remaining three.

But SU posted multiple times that he would need funds well in advance and explained why, so the split shouldn't go equally among all 5. He IMO deserves a good chunk of it b/c he has been the most vocal and open about his situation.

Seeing as there's people who need it more than others + this is supposed to be a 'team', the people who can afford it more should bite the bullet and let up some cash to the other side.

And if y'all truly are a team, like RTD said win da cash in France and distribute it among y'all so that at the end everyone comes up equal. So people who forked more cash initially will have some redemption and the others will not have as big a loss of an investment.

If y'all don't win...things can get ugly lol.
 
1. if the funds are going to be distributed evenly, then the fact that bibulus already has a ticket should not matter. all will be responsible to do so and there are still backup players that would represent us well. even split. you can't make it still? though. on to the next guy.
2. the french could argue that they have more experience against him. also esom has good experience with koreans who are arguably better.
3. maybe he was beating the french often, but the french are not the only ones there, nor were they all here, and to use "the french" like a qualification is kinda ridiculous. why don't we look at results among OUR OWN tournaments to see who is more qualified.
4. new england is certainly strong, but there are LOTS of other strong areas, and esom has wins against people from all of them.

i think that esom is the best pick for voldo simply because i think he is the best voldo we have after alphamale. i think choosing a team based on financial riffraff is kinda stupid and it should be done on merit alone, in order, eliminating those that cannot make the trip until we have a team.
 
I want to know how Esom got thrown onto the team when Manta is still deciding whether he can go or not and no other input was offered besides some shady private discussion. Team chemistry, lol.

If you want to look at results between Esom and Bibulus, then Bibulus ranks higher. Plus when was the last time Esom played in a tournament for SC4? I still haven't seen anyone provide actual reasons as to why Esom is the better Voldo, but find out what Manta is going to first since he was selected as the alternate.
 
I curious as to how much the people receiving the donations are ready to cover. Shouldn't that factor into how much everyone gets? I don't think merit is the only thing you can choose the team on when its so expensive to actually get there.
 
sWoRD_LoRD said:
I think the opposite. I think that's a horrible horrible idea. The person who won that would prolly just be the most aggressive player, prolly be the least good of the Voldo's moreso than anything. Either way, that wouldn't prove anything.
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Don't question RTD. He's higher rank than you.

Either way, if not online, then it needs to be decided by the only other fair way... a POLL.
 
Malice said:
...I still haven't seen anyone provide actual reasons as to why Esom is the better Voldo...
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Not arguing "betterness" cause its a sticky issue, but Esom was 1) top seed from his regional for nats and 2) as 3rd place in the well known pool C, the 2nd highest placing voldo player at EVO after Alphamale.
 
If my opinion counts ) from my play experience I think Thuggish Pond, KDZ and Manta definitely A MUST have.

As much as I hate it, Hilde will probably make it.

It leaves one more slot. I propose a choice of S-U, Link and Hates.
I think those 6 are the best players in USA (hilde and Vaderless OOF aside)

PS: Where did Damien and Brian go? I havent seen them online since forever.
 
LeBello said:
Don't question RTD. He's higher rank than you.

Either way, if not online, then it needs to be decided by the only other fair way... a POLL.
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haha it's alright. Sword Lord does have a nice car and all.

For the rest of you, keep in mind that this thread was made so that everyone can be a part of the discussion.

I heard that SU and Thuggish were having problems with money so I called them up last night.

During that call, we starting speculating about the best Voldo for the heck of it and decided that Esom had the best SC game with Voldo and that Manta had the trickiest Voldo.

Even so, we thought that a CF Voldo style was more effective. AlphaMale and Esom have very similar styles, but since AlphaMale can't go, that simplifies things. But then again, it would be easy to see Manta parlor tricking everybody ftw!


SU was just trying to get things rolling by taking the initiative to finalize things because we don't have much time left.

Lobo and KDZ both have valid points about their Voldo selection, but in the end, as Lobo said, it will have to come down to the best Voldo that can represent us.

If we select the best Voldo that can represent us, then the community will feel better about donating towards our cause.
 
I'm still here but I'm not really on instant messengers anymore because I don't have a computer. Don't worry Belial I'm still around! :)
 
I kinda would like to hear the french players saying Master tricks'd us Manta tricks'd us. i'm in no position or have no real knowledge of who's best suited for the job.

However, Arguing over the money issues like this guys is making people who'r thinking bout donating a little bit uneasy. It's kinda like double thinking donating my kidneys cause u guys are unsure of whether ur gonna sell it or give it to poor old Johny.
 
RTD said:
If we select the best Voldo that can represent us, then the community will feel better about donating towards our cause.
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How exactly are you going to select the best voldo, through opinion?

It doesn't matter who you're, nothing qualifys you to say who is actually better, you can only go off people's records.

I pretty much laid out the best plan for Team USA to get both it's players and more money, by having a qualifiers. No body wanted anything to do with that plan, not because it was bad but because of arrogance. Looking at it now we have a surprisingly good amount of donations plus whatever we would have got from the qualifiers.(would have been a better situation)

At this moment who knows what kind situations you might find yourselves if you go to France with insufficient funds. I estimated that the Team needed atleast 3000$, so that by the end of it; if you didn't win jack in France you guys wouldn't came back home in deep money shit.

Your current solution to which player is your fifth.

I suggest before the trip you have a practice meet, a weekend or something with whatever notable players, and go through the necessary preparations to form your Team.

As for the money issue.

For now I think we can only hope we get more donations, if things change for the better for me financially you will get more from me and others. Otherwise, you gonna have to really discuss what has to happen soon if you don't get enough. You might just get replaced.
 
Yes it does matter who says what because like I said before, if someone like me, or rtd recommends a player, it would hold more weight than someone that you would recommend.
 
KingAce said:
Your current solution to which player is your fifth.

I suggest before the trip you have a practice meet, a weekend or something with whatever notable players, and go through the necessary preparations to form your Team.
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Well how is spending money to travel to places that aren't France going to help the problem of getting money to travel to France? That's going to cause even more of a money problem.

BTW, I nominate KingAce for the 5th slot. He can theory fight/talk the French to death.
 
Alex.J said:
Well how is spending money to travel to places that aren't France going to help the problem of getting money to travel to France? That's going to cause even more of a money problem.
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Yo your opinion isn't more valid then his, so just stfu son.
 
I broke this shit down in semi topics noted by the bold and underlined for those that dislike blocks of text and would like to know certain matters on certain issues.

Team matters:

This shit is ridiculous.

Four people for the team have been finalized and confirmed since the beginning. Thuggish, RTD, SU, KDZ. The last person has been missing since the beginning. The main theme for the final individual was a Voldo for strategic purposes since the French had no real sufficient widespread practice against them and this might still be the case. Esom expressed interest from the jump in the original tournament thread and guaranteed himself going if accepted. The list of Voldo's were created with Alphamale being the most important. He cannot go. Next in line is either Manta or Esom as u cannot argue a thourough case as to who is 100% better than the other. Manta hasn't expressed interest even remotely close to the time Esom has and even now is still not guaranteed while Esom is.

The other list of possibles have all confirmed a no go.

Financial matters:

In simple terms some people are not as luxurious as others for whatever the reason. I have stated the reasons for my financial problems a long time ago on these forums in at least 2-3 threads where all can see. So there is no cash hustling going on.

Clarification: (My situation in particular)

I will state the same shit I have in other threads again. I am taking 20 Credits this semester which is almost 2500.00 out of pocket not counting books which is probably gonna be 500.00 or more. I am not applicable for financial aid. I was also unemployed until January 4, 2010. I also have phone bills, loan interest bills, metrocard bills, etc. The issue is not that I will not have the funds its that I am unable to come up with that kind of cash because I just started working again. I get paid on a two week basis and with bills I cannot accumlate that kind of cash fast enough. I apologize but real life responsibilites are knocking at my door.

Donation matters:

I had stated that I would not argue about how the cash is distributed between 5 people because fair is fair. 8 people is just unacceptable and that will not happen like I stated in the main tournament thread as well. However even before the donation cash was announced me and Thuggish expressed the fact that we had financial problems. In fact it wasn't until I said I was not going that the donation came into play in the first place. I also knew about the funds before Jaxel and all of u before anyone in regards to the U.S. from our biggest donation member Malek with his generosity.

The fact is some people need more than others. If u have a problem with this then at the end of the day no one can be mad at u but it still remains a fact and doesn't change the fact at least two people need it more than others. Therefore the distribution in how the funds are split comes down to integrity and what u can accept without feeling like u are being fucked over.

For those who know me as a person or can read into my personality i'm a very blunt up front person and I think all the assumptions about funds and this third party bullshit about which Voldo blah blah blah needs to come to an end. The tournament is around the corner.

Malek, Asenka, Docvizzo:

I ask of u to help the team find the most cost efficient method (Plane, Plane into bus, etc.) out there if u don't mind and if u can as I would like to start finalizing this trip.
 
Isn't it obvious.

1. Donation funds.
2. Funds accumulated from job within that time frame that can be put towards the trip.
3. If need be borrow 100-200 from the fam.

The path to me getting there depends on the donations. Otherwise I cannot get the required cash fast enough to attend in time for March. Does it all make sense now for me stressing the donation cash.

I had said I wasn't gonna make it because well my pockets could do alot better without going. However; there happens to be alot of people than want me to go and attend this (not to brag or anything) and I also want to do what the French did for us when they came for the competition to the U.S.

Its that simple. No more no less as I can live without going to Cannes.

Last but not least I just wanted to shout out a big thanks for the people who donated and in general supported this cause. Especially Malek and the french.
 
Something-Unique said:
I apologize but real life responsibilites are knocking at my door.
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well, news flash, real life responsibilities tend to hit us all up eventually. the fact remains that the money needs to be distributed evenly. yes you would make a good representative for us, but if you can't go then you can't go. there were others asked initially, who right off the bat said no, they would not be able to afford it.

seeing as Malek is indeed the primary contributor it would be interesting to hear his take on all this. if he intended it to be money to help take something-unique and thuggish to cannes, or if it was intended as money to help take team america to cannes. barring a preference from him i think it is total bullshit to not divide the money absolutely evenly between the 5 most capable contenders. perhaps you can talk with the other members of the team about borrrowing some of their share, but that will be between you and them. otherwise if it is not realistically possible you need to vocalize that as well, so that next in line can be notified to start getting their shit together.
 
okay just made my donation, I really hope all the issues are worked out so that we have a team. As for the money distributions it should be divided in a way to allow the best players to go. Pot money can be used to make up for uneven distribution. If we dont have two or three of the US best players because of the distribution there's a good chance we'll lose.

Regardless of the 5th member I think with the 4 already selected the US is in really good hands. Also I'd be careful about assuming too much about how the french will perform vs Voldo. Just because everyone on the forum seems to be going on and on about how the french will be dominated by Voldo, so don't you think the french might actually train to be able to beat voldo's ass? My two cents, it's better to send the most skilled player over one who might just be a tricky voldo. The more skilled player can usually pull off a win even if his opponent has the match up nailed, just my opinion.

Hopefully others will donate, even if it's nor much 50 bucks or so makes a difference people.

But however things turn out I really have high hopes for team USA and wish you guys the best of luck.
 
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