If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out...

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

BlackDragon37 said:
"Science develops best when its concepts and conclusions are integrated into the broader human culture and its concerns for ultimate meaning and value. Scientists cannot, therefore, hold themselves entirely aloof from the sorts of issues dealt with by philosophers and theologians. By devoting to these issues something of the energy and care they give to their research in science, they can help others realize more fully the human potentialities of their discoveries. They can also come to appreciate for themselves that these discoveries cannot be a genuine substitute for knowledge of the truly ultimate. Science can purify religion from error and superstition; religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes. Each can draw the other into a wider world, a world in which both can flourish."

- Pope John Paul II.

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I do. JPII pretty much always made a lot of sense. I disagree with him on several issues, though.
 
If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

Evolution happens to make species better at survival. In short, it's based on their previous weaknesses.
 
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Y-Disciple said:
Evolution happens to make species better at survival. In short, it's based on their previous weaknesses.
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Evolution happens because dead things are less likely to reproduce. There is no mechanism that says that species ought to survive, or an unwritten force that is making the strong dominate. The strong just dominate because they are the ones that are around in greater numbers in the next recombination of genes.
 
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Well its kind of depressing when a 16 year old knows more about the follies and achievments of religion than others sometimes do. I admire those who have a faith, but at the same time, it seems to me that about 80% or something around there only know about the good aspects of their religions and remain oblivious the the horrors and opprobrious actions that their religion had taken in the past. I don't choose to believe or become a non-believer based on narrow-minded views of what someone tells me. I choose to take in all information that everyone tells me and interpret it as I believe it should be interpreted.

The only other aspect about religion that I do not admire other than the ones stated in my previous post is the fact that generally, once someone becomes a part of a religion or is born in a religious society, they choose to close their minds to the other truths of the planet and choose to only listen to what their instructors will them to believe. That is one of the most annoying aspects of a religion that I cannot stand. Do not take it as I am saying everyone is like this, for I know that no one is always categorized in one specific group. But, from past expiriences, I see that most other persons whom I have met choose to be ignorant to certain facts if they are part of a religion that either A.) Frowns upon said truths or B.) Is what caused said truths and does not wish it to seem as a bad thing in the minds of their followers.
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BlackDragon37 said:
"Science develops best when its concepts and conclusions are integrated into the broader human culture and its concerns for ultimate meaning and value. Scientists cannot, therefore, hold themselves entirely aloof from the sorts of issues dealt with by philosophers and theologians. By devoting to these issues something of the energy and care they give to their research in science, they can help others realize more fully the human potentialities of their discoveries. They can also come to appreciate for themselves that these discoveries cannot be a genuine substitute for knowledge of the truly ultimate. Science can purify religion from error and superstition; religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes. Each can draw the other into a wider world, a world in which both can flourish."

- Pope John Paul II.

Anyone agree with this statement?
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I must say that I find this to be a well thought quote. It seems rather ingenious to word it the way he did, and it saddens me that I have not come across it before.
 
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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. "

Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium", 1941

Take everything in moderation people. There is not reason that God and science cannot coexist. But blinding yourself to one or the other is just foolery.

Another good one from him:

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods."

Albert Einstein
 
If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." -Albert Einstein

Einstein's quotes are often taken out of context sadly -- we're also finding a couple flaws in his theories of relativity, even though our understanding thrives on his findings. That's the beauty of science, it corrects itself if evidence is found. Religion instead already 'knows' the truth and therefore contradicts any explanation or fact that doesn't adhere to bronze-age scripture. Just to imagine how gullible the population is, just look at Scientology or Mormons and what they believe. It's just human nature to want something spiritual.

I'm also in firm belief that 'religious science' is an oxymoron. The two simply don't mix, especially when one causes people to commit delusional actions.


-Manta-
 
If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

PARDON ME MANTA, BUT UMMMM... XENU IS MY ONE TRUE LORD AND ALIEN OVERMIND.

My soul was brought here on SPACE 747s that dropped souls into VOLCANOES that were then destroyed by DROPPING H BOMBS into them and the souls went into HUGE MOVIE THEATERS which is where we get the ideas of other religions 'n shit and then many souls formed up to become the VOLTRON MEGA UNIT that is me.

SO QUIT HATIN' ON MY VERY SENSIBLE RELIGION.
 
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MichaelJackson said:
PARDON ME MANTA, BUT UMMMM... XENU IS MY ONE TRUE LORD AND ALIEN OVERMIND.

My soul was brought here on SPACE 747s that dropped souls into VOLCANOES that were then destroyed by DROPPING H BOMBS into them and the souls went into HUGE MOVIE THEATERS which is where we get the ideas of other religions 'n shit and then many souls formed up to become the VOLTRON MEGA UNIT that is me.

SO QUIT HATIN' ON MY VERY SENSIBLE RELIGION.
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You do know that this knowledge is restricted to OT III and higher, right? -.-

They were DC-8s, and Scientologists hate Xenu.
 
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Im reluctant to say that I was baptised a mormon when I was 8 years old. Only to find out the weird truth later on. My parents forced me to go to church every stinkin sunday till I was like 12. My family was the poor family in the church. And what the mormons do to those POINTED AT "less fortunate" is that they actually will help out with your monthly bills, Food and other things. My parents mostly lived off that sort of thing. So in turn you are required not only to attend church and pay your tithing (which is 10% of your income...think about that for a second) you have to work long ass hours in canneries and other mormon money making schemes.

after years of finger pointing, ridicule and other humiliating events, I decided to not got to church anymore. Taking a big step back to look at the big picture, The mormons are one of the richest religons in the world. Religon in itself is all about money, always has been! always will be. With money comes power. If you are a pesent in the kingdom and Im the king and I tell you that you will go to this wonderful place when you die IF YOU GIVE ME MONEY, wouldnt you start emptying your pockets?

religon is a money making scheme to me. Im not trying to knock those that have faith in thier religion. More power to you. But in my experiences with church and the people that run it, its main purposes are hidden from the normal church goers, so that the real purposes of money and power do not come out, those are supposed to be the work of the devil right?
 
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Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium", 1941
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Philosophy is superior to religion, simply because it's theories can develop and adapt to new discoveries. Religion can't unless they admit that the holy scriptures are nothing but human fiction.
 
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It's refreshing to see so many people of our generation that actually have a grip on things. Maybe the future will be brighter after all. We just gotta wait for all the old people to kick the bucket, and then...

"We takin' ovaaaaaah..."
 
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My Thetan levels far surpass Tom Cruise though! if only he'd come out of the closet ~ And MJ -- Voltron, man. You can't beat down a soul that merged like Voltron. :p

Seriously though, thanks for sharing HRD, there's countless others who've experienced much the of same and still have to deal with it via their families. I call it geographic bias =)


-Manta-
 
If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

OK I wrote that post about an hour ago and I got 2 PM's telling me what a dick I am. Apparently a few here are pretty religous and didnt appreciate what I wrote.

TO CLEAR THINGS UP: If you have faith in your religion, thats good for you. Im not the one to tell you that you are wrong for believing what you believe. I dont have proof of "God's" existance or in-existance (and niether do you other than stories you have read in a very old book) But NOTHING in this world survives with out a few key things. Money and Power. If some of you that are church goers experinced the things that I did, you would have a different outlook on religion yourself. To tell someone that you HAVE TO pay 10% of your income and if you dont you are not a worthy person (in a round about way) while your family is struglling to put dinner on the table, youre an asshole. If you are going to point to the ENTIRE ward (which is the equivelent to the entire church in mormon world) that "those who are reciving church welfare such as the CARR family, must work 10 hours in the cannery this weekend" and shake your head in disgust while youre doing it, THATS FUCKIN WRONG!!!

One PM message said that I was the victim of a church that has its priorities in the wrong place and the I was indeed mistreated but that shouldnt hinder my faith in god. Maybe thats true. But as I said before, take a big step back and look at the big picture. You all have had a faith of some kind forced down your throat from a young age. When have the NEVER asked for money. And when you didnt give it you were looked down upon. I dont need some guy reading from a really old book telling me what I do in life is wrong and that Im going to go to some really hot place when I die. Im just not convinced.

I dont debate about religion. I guess I shouldve thought of that before I posted that last one. But those are MY beliefs and until some celestial being appears before me and tells me other wise......they are gonna stay!!
 
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Hot_Rod_Dave said:
AHHHHHH....thats why lol!!!!!!!

im out of this conversation cause apparently some people cant have inteligent conversation about things liek this. I shouldve known!!
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No YOU can't have an intelligent conversation about this, so THERE!
 
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